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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Jewish voter is going to play a huge role. I tend to vote Democrat, but cannot support Biden again. I will be taking a close look at the 3rd party candidate and might consider Kennedy. It would make me physically sick to vote for Trump, but I trust him to care about terrorism and Israel more than I trust Biden these days. That said, it will probably be quite a cold day in Hell because I never in my wildest dreams thought I would even consider supporting that deranged criminal, but I think the US has gone completely insane, so there is that.[/quote]

If your #1 issue in the U.S. presidential election is Israel, you've gone a little bit insane, too.[/quote]

Agreed. Also, that’s out of step with the reality of the political landscape. Israel/Gaza — like all foreign policy — is not going to sway the election much unless Biden commits US troops. DCUM is a lefty echo chamber on this matter (and I say that as someone who was warning people here in June 2016 that Trump was going to win).

However what Biden will struggle with in general is voter apathy and Israel/Gaza contributes to that, albeit minimally. Democrats always need high turnout and Biden isn’t going to drive that. Meanwhile Trump’s supporters will be fired up, like last time. [/quote]
I would seriously not ignore Dobbs as a factor. So many people think women are just going to blithely accept our rights being ripped away from us. [/quote]

No one thinks that FFS. But you’re crazy and spiteful to behave as if this war isn’t also the most critical issue for some voters in swing states.[/quote]

You sound insane and irrational, lashing out at the PP like this. That was uncalled for.

Gaza is indeed probably the most important issue for some people. Nothing the PP said implies otherwise. But Gaza is unlikely to be a big domestic vote-mover, based on literally years of voter history. Foreign affairs are almost never a major election driver, unless there are significant US troops committed.

Dobbs, on the other hand, has moved votes as recently as last year. The PP is correct that Dobbs may drive young voters to the polls. But Gaza is unlikely to drive a lot of voters to the polls unless there is a significant break with historic precedent.

Please be rational. [/quote]

Please eat a pile dogshit, thanks.

The danger of the smug-assed Democratic consensus that you and PP typify is that you won’t acknowledge that Gaza may well depress turnout where it’s most needed - specifically right now in Michigan. Ignore it at your peril (you will).[/quote]

Man, you are so unpleasant. I wonder why you can’t persuade anyone to your position? It’s truly a mystery. 🤔🤔

In any event, you are wrong about me. I think Democrats are sleepwalking their way to a Trump victory.[b] But not because of Israel/Gaza, which is an electoral fringe issue[/b] (like nearly all foreign affairs issues historically) despite what obsessed lunatics like you think. [/quote]

I’m a DP, and I think it’s a fringe issue with the capacity to tank the election. Unless you think Biden can win without Michigan, in which case I see why you’re not concerned. [/quote]

Win or lose I don’t think that the administration can make foreign policy decisions based on what Arab Americans in Michigan think.  Maybe they are the ones not seeing the big picture of what another Trump administration will mean for their constituents.[/quote]

For generations American foreign policy toward Ireland was heavily based on what Irish-Americans in New York and Boston thought. To the degree that it’s in State Department cables from the 50s. 
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Remind me, were the Irish shouting death to America? [/quote]

They certainly were bombing things.

But no, they weren’t shouting death to America— and America wasn’t supporting the British committing atrocities.

But the question is whether expats should impact our foreign policy and the answer is that they absolutely have.[/quote]

Yes, well, we stayed close partners with Britain but we did have a few Irish pop singers hit #1. I wouldn't say it was a huge impact like the demands from pp. Oh and the Irish didn't have extremist wings that attacked the US or US ideals.[/quote]

We did stay close partners— treaty Allies— with Britain. Which is why it doesn’t make sense to me that we’re forced to act like enabling atrocities is the price of being a partner. It hasn’t been elsewhere.

And the IRA absolutely attacked U.S. ideals. They bombed Manchester. Have you never heard of The Troubles?

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That is idiotic. The oppression and exploitation of colonialism is not an American value. England was responsible for the potato famine killing over a million people while exporting gain and meat. Ireland had a population of 8 million at the time. England is responsible for killing 100 million Indians between 1880-1920. This is worst vs Stalin’s Holodomor.

The US and British(mostly the British pushing the US by calling everyone a commie) orchestrated a coup to remove the democratically elected Mohammad Mosaddegh. Why? Because Mosaddegh had sought to audit the documents of the Anglo-Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), a British corporation (now part of BP), to verify that AIOC was paying the contracted royalties to Iran. This directly lead to where we are now with Iran.

So is that the American ideals you say were attacked by the IRA? [/quote]

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