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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]In state = 13th Grade [/quote]

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That's what parents/kids say when they don't get in.  It's a face-saving technique that's entirely transparent.[/quote]

What? Plenty of kids who don't get into UVA or UMD can do better than VT/JMU or UMBC oos[/quote]
dp... yes, but this particular thread is about how going to in state = 13th year.

If you are saying that someone applied to but didn't get into to UVA or UMD (in state), that would still mean they were willing to do the 13th grade.

And if you didn't get into UVA/UMD, and then say it's like "13th grade", then that's just face-saving sour grapes.[/quote]

I hope my kids leave the state/area for college. But they may prefer the “13th grade” option. It’s just how it is and different people have different preferences.

If you are offended by “13th grade” then you may want to reflect on why. [/quote]

DP.  It's not "offensive," it's merely inaccurate.  Students do not run into their high school classmates at any of these large schools unless they make a plan to do so.  There are thousands of students, including many OOS kids.  People who call it "13th grade" don't actually have kids at these schools; they're just making dumb statements that aren't backed up in way.[/quote]

“13th grade” doesn’t mean they literally run into HS peers constantly. It’s just a continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years.

If you are offended by it, that really speaks more about your own insecurities. [/quote]

Please explain how it is in any way a "continuation of what they have done for the last 13 years" any more than any other college would be.  Especially if we've all established they are not seeing their HS peers at these large schools.  We'll wait.[/quote]

You think kids from FCPS have significantly different life experiences than kids from ACPS? VA state colleges are full of nova kids who have all had similar upbringings. Many will end up back in nova. 13th grade.

I’m hoping my kids will pick somewhere OOS, but they might pick in-state. Which is fine if that’s what they prefer. 
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So you're actually claiming that kids who go to Indiana or Michigan or Wisconsin somehow have had "significantly different life experiences" than kids who grew up in Northern VA?   :lol:  :lol:  Not to mention, there are TONS of OOS kids at the top VA schools, as well as international students.  My kids have friends from all over the country at their VA state universities.  But do go on about how much more interesting and diverse OOS schools are.  What a hoot.  I think you know you're fooling yourself, you just refuse to admit it.[/quote]

Yes, living in a different area of the country with people who grew up all over is a different experience than going to a state school in VA that has mostly nova students. And then most of them continue to live in VA after they graduate.

https://research.schev.edu/enrollment/e19_report.asp 
https://digital.uvamagazine.org/articles/hoo-are-you/index.php
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1.  Yes, there are plenty of nova students at UVA, W&M and VT, but they are not "most" of the students.  The SCHEV link posted shows, for example, that 40% of the entering class at W&M was from OOS, so if the remainder (60%) is divided roughly in half between nova and non-nova, that means only 30% from nova.

2. Schools like IU and Wisconsin - to use as examples - have a majority of in-state kids, so no, they aren't appreciably filled with "people who grew up all over" any more than UVA or W&M.  And nova is less insular, more diverse, and less bland than suburban Indianapolis, Milwaukee, etc., which supplies a big chunk of the student body at those schools.

3. Well of course a majority of graduates from UVA, W&M, etc. continue to live in VA after they graduate.  But remaining in state after graduation is true of many OOS flagships.  Plus there's a lot more good career opportunities with high salaries in VA than in Indiana, Nebraska, etc.     [/quote]

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