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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Conservative here- I would vote for Manchin Gabbard.[/quote]

Of course you would. That is the point. They aren't "dems" but have been labeled as such.[/quote]

I think we all need to move towards a middle we can live with….  [/quote]

Where is the middle on abortion? I see NO GOP willing to legislate for the Roe-V Wade standard. What we see are total bans, bans at 6 weeks or 12 weeks. What happens if something happens to the fetus at 20 weeks? Just make the woman carry it to term everything else be damned?

Where is the middle on guns? I see NO GOP legislating for a middle ground. All unfetted access with NO background checks or other restrictions.

I could go on, but there is no middle we can all live with where the current GOP is concerned.[/quote]

Well, the middle means we don’t all get what we want.   I don’t mean to be disrespectful to your passion on guns and abortion.

Manchin isn’t my dream candidate either.

I’d like to think that there are a lot of Americans like me who would give up some political goals that are important to them in order to re-establish a middle in this country.[/quote]

the middle also mean BOTH SIDES don't get what they want.

Where is the GOP compromise on guns?
Where it the GOP compromise on abortion?

Again, these are just two examples.

The middle is the middle, the GOP makes no effort to go there.[/quote]

And every time the left moves to middle, the right goes further right. They’re unfit for governing. [/quote]

How exactly has the left moved to the middle on abortion, or firearms?[/quote]

The Democrats position is supported by the majority of voters. Roe v. Wade was the centrist position. Assault weapons ban and more restrictions on gun ownership is the centrist position. [/quote]

Democrats don't support RvW anymore, though. They think it is too restrictive. They want zero laws about abortion and for the entire issue to be left between women and their doctor. [/quote]

And?

Does the state get involved with appendectomies?[/quote]

I'm not arguing the merits of their position, I'm pointing out that they are not supporting RvW anymore because they see it as too restrictive. So saying that most Americans support RvW and therefore agree with the Democrats is inaccurate. I agree with RvW, but not with the Democratic position. They are two different things.  [/quote]

The r v w is the compromise in your scenario and the right destroyed it, not the left.[/quote]

But in any case.   No labels can't be bothered with the issue of abortion so the electorate won't be bothered with them.[/quote]

They aren't going for voters who focus on that issue. [/quote]

Eell the effect of putting the rapist trump back in the white house will have the effect of solidifying and increasing destruction of abortion rights suffered by the women of this country whether no labels acknowledges the truth of that or pretends to look away.[/quote]

Voters who feel like you already have a party. I don't understand why this is complicated. [/quote]

Lol.  Just put the damn trump bumper sticker on the car next to the no labels bumper sticker.   [/quote]
+1
You can fool yourselves but you’re not fooling anyone else.[/quote]

Why wouldn't they just vote for Trump? Why bother voting for someone else if they really want to vote for Trump? [/quote]
Exactly. It's amazing to see the lengths to which Trump and Biden campaign workers will go to in order to make everyone believe that any challenge to their amazing candidates should be shut down immediately. [/quote]

Challenge the Dem or gop candidate?  If you don't understand that 3rd party candidates are spoilers than you are ignorant.

Do something to change that ugly reality if you don't like it,  instead of just helping an "amazing" candidate that you claim not to support, win the election.[/quote]

People can and should vote for whoever they want to. [/quote]

You are an ignorant fool.   [b]Biden was chosen because he could win the swing states and so it went.[/b]   The Bernie lovers understand that he won't win a national election and they would rather have Biden than trump.  Even they are  because are able to comprehend the electoral college system and strategize how to choose a winner.  Try it.[/quote]

There are real questions as to whether he can do that again. 
If you are into polls, Biden is down against Trump in many swing states.

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-biden-poll-swing-states-2024-1810725[/quote]

The topic is third party candidates as spoilers...not if Biden can win again.  Obviously he can hence the appearance of no labels and all kinds of other desperate efforts to suppress and siphon Dem voters that are hell bent on keeping that forced birther, insurrectionist, raping loser away from our families.[/quote]

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