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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Anecdotal, but the kids I knew who were spanked generally seemed to grow up in more dysfunctional families and didn't turn out as well as the kids who weren't. [/quote]

Presumably you are referring to kids who are 7-12 ish age range that were spanked, rather than the 1-4 year olds who were near-universally spanked?[/quote]

Spanking a 1-4 year old should be a crime. [b]They can't even control themselves yet.[/b] [/quote]

Expecting and requiring no self-control from a 1-4 year old should be a crime.  Children can learn and follow rules and instructions.  Not perfectly - but believing that they cannot even control themselves is nonsense parenting.  [/quote]

They absolutely can and at age 1-4 it's completely unnecessary to spank to teach them.[/quote]

Not just unnecessary -- counterproductive. You are squandering the years when their love and trust are easily earned through kindness, patience, and warmth. Eventually kids learn to think for themselves and question their parents' wisdom (this is normal and inevitable). If you hit them, there's no underlying trust and love there. If you are instead kind and patient, that can form the basis for a relationship you can continue to work with well into adolescence and young adulthood.

Spanking is abusive, but it's also not effective.[/quote]

I believe that you genuinely believe this but how can you explain every mother animal who raises her babies?  She doesn't use time outs or losing screen time but her babies still love and trust her.  Are human babies that different? Stupid or defective?[/quote]

As a zoologist I’m very curious to hear your take on mothering in the animal world. Just where is all the [b]punitive physically assaultive parenting[/b] happening there? Please advise.[/quote]

My point was that it's not.  Mother animals teach polite behavior to their babies through nips and nudges.  Like the swats that mothers use.  [/quote]

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