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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]well that makes 3 Princeton sports recruits.  2 for lacrosse and one for track.  [/quote]

[b]I think it is unfair to act like sports playing a part in admissions is somehow unfair[/b].  It takes a great deal of time and effort to be a top athlete. It seems like DCUMs are very comfortable with let's say a top violinist getting an edge vs a top basketball player.  (both of those randomly picked)[/quote]

It is unfair.

Club/travel sports are extremely expensive to take part in & require significant parent involvement. A kid may be a talented young athlete (including a high school basketball player), but won’t be recruited unless they happen to have parents with the time and money to put them in club sports. Money isn’t sufficient to get recruited, but it is definitely necessary.

Go look at some rosters of sports in the Ivy/NESCAC/UAA/Centennial/Patriotic League conferences. They’re filled with UMC white kids who went to private school & public schools in very wealthy areas, especially if we’re talking about women’s sports. [/quote]

The same could be argued about the violinist, cellist, or even a straight a student who does well on SATs because of prep courses in tutors. But for some reason people are particularly upset about sports.[/quote]

My experience at a Power 5 school on scholarship was different than described.  I came from a poor single mother home with lots of poverty.  I might add that I did go to a very good academic high school, public but equal to many private schools (28 average ACT).  I ran a 4:10 mile in 10th grade, and did not belong to any clubs, support groups or teams other than my high school team. Only trained in summers my last two years in high school.  Was more of a sprinter than a distance runner and would travel to Waukegan Illinois to train with sprinters much tougher than my (nice) classmates.  Nothing formal, but they became my friends.  Never would have run 48 seconds for the 400 in high school without them.   After my 10th grade year that I was recruited by almost everyone.  No one in high level track circles cared about club sports or pedigree. My high school competition was from East St. Louis and the southern suburbs of Chicago.    The track coaches and schools did care about the volume of training you did, because that gave D1 coaches an indication of how high your ceiling was.  Yes, it took money to go to meets like the Drake Relays, or meets in California, but once you became a national level athlete the school would fund this kind of thing.I ran in one race in California in high school where the meet promoter paid my expenses.   I think if you are really good, you will be noticed.   I suspect what the posters here refer to is using sports as a means to get into a competitive school as opposed to being a truly top flight athlete.  I can see this being the case. By the way, my classmates knew my poverty predicament and they pushed me through social pressure to be a good student, even though I had parents with no college. I am friends with these peers to this day.   I ended up being a better student than athlete, as unlikely as I thought that would be. The rules around  athletics and admission are abusive, but I did not want to abuse them myself - didn't make me better in any sense - I just didn't want to appear entitled or worse yet stupid. [/quote]

XC/track are a whole different animal than other sports.[/quote]

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