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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Women who sincerely believe that men are irrelevant and useless, and who are in an economic position to accurately say this, are a very small percentage of the overall population, maybe top 1-2%. 99% of women, ESPECIALLY of child bearing age, are not wealthy enough and will never be wealthy enough to comfortably care for children without outside help. The welfare state helps somewhat with this but at the end of the day nobody who makes the typical young single female salary of like 50k/yr can raise a family on that. Most women need men if they want kids, and even without kids most women are too poor to live a decent lifestyle without a second income. A few rich women bragging about their self made millions on here and dissing the male gender doesn’t change the cold hard truth that the average woman is broke AF.[/quote]

Even then, men still predominately develop the technologies, fight the wars, do the dirty odd jobs, construction and other thankless jobs and work the law enforcement that make their lives so comfortable in the first place. These men are nameless and faceless to these corporate, rent seeking drones until they need them or something goes wrong though. Calling men irrelevant just shows how far up their own arses these women are. Congrats on making partner!!  :roll: [/quote]

Women perform the thankless jobs of childcare, nursing, cooking, teaching, cleaning and are the ones who give birth. [/quote]

Why can’t we just admit that both genders perform essential tasks and more or less need one another to live a happy, healthy, prosperous life (outside of a few delusional elites who can insulate themselves from reality with $$$)[/quote]

[u]People[/u] perform essential tasks. They shouldn't be limited to certain tasks based on their sex organs. 
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But they aren't. [b]There is no limitation. [/b]That doesn't mean certain things that are based on their sex organs are off limits. Being able to work out of the house doesn't mean you now can't work in the house anymore.[/quote]

There is in “traditional gender roles”.  [/quote]

And out. According to you, the minute a mom thinks maybe she should make dinner, it's time to think about going out so she's not stuck in the house.[/quote]

Just referring to the PP who explained that her and her DH have “traditional gender roles”. So in their case there are certain expectations and limitations. If there weren’t they wouldn’t be “traditional”.  
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I think you're conflating traditional with "expected" or "required". Who knows whether that's the case. It sounds like she likes being in that role -- whether because of social norms, biology, too many Disney movies, enjoying taking care of the family -- and it doesn't sound like she is confined at all.[/quote]

If she is taking on non-traditional roles then she’s non-traditional. It’s confining by definition; there isn’t someone actually confining her. It’s how she has defined herself. [/quote]

Woman you are referring to here.  I use the word traditional because
- I cook most of the time
- Do most of the laundry
- Handle day to day logistics of the house
- I don’t like using the word submissive, but it is accurate, we have rules
- I make sure I am “presentable“ ever day.
- I defer to my husband on most major decisions out of trust but I also don’t need his permission to make decisions or spend money
- I have various roles in our relationship, wife, lover, friend, muse, sub 
- I happily will say I am housewife
- I know my husbands preferences with just about everything and make sure they are met

Among other things

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Are you ok doing this while your husband goes away on business trips and has sex with other women? Or men? This is how Ive seen many of these relationships work out. Or like the Stepford wives where they just become robots. Just because you do all these things doesn’t mean you get a loving faithful and high earning husband [/quote]

I do have a loving, loyal, high earning husband .

He doesn’t cheat on business trips.  He has never been a hookup type of man, and he wouldn’t get what he wants out of a quick fling.  We always have a long call late evening and typically is on FaceTime with DS helping with homework. Plus we typically have video/phone sex.[/quote]

My question was would you be? Because right now men make less than women in this country. Men have more addictions and crime. Men still have more infidelity and sex than women. So even if you play a submissive stay at home mom role you are rolling the dice with the person you are with. A great majority of men aren't interested in being high earners, monogamous or controlling their other impulses, and loving to their wives. They like the control too much and don't like to control themselves.[/quote]

I 100% agree with your assessments.  That is why I married DH. I wouldn’t feel that I could be this open and secure with any man.  DH feels the same way,  I  know one of his long term exes and asked him if they had a similar dynamic.  He pointed out that she wasn’t strong enough to handle it.  Which I was confused by. As he explained though, she was going through the motions for his gratification and to receive the material benefits of the relationship.  He said that is the biggest turn off in the world.  There is a lot more to that conversation but that is what it came down to.  She wasn’t getting emotional benefit out of it, but would never say that.  That is why he broke up with her. She wanted to please and please in a sexual way, but that wasn’t where he found pleasure and didn’t want a relationship where sex was the foundation.
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