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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Transparen?  Hardly.  Have you even seen a VT Naviance chart lately?[/quote]

There is more to admissions than stats. This has been addressed. [/quote]

I'm really curious how they are able to put so much weight on supplemental essays--how they can even read them with that much care at that volume and make meaningful distinctions about how kids respond.   And why?  Are a few 150 word responses really that telling about how well you will succeed/make use of a technical education?  It just really doesn't make sense to me.  [/quote]

They don't.  This is just what people say to support the narrative of no yield protection and to justify VT rejecting high stats kids and accepting kids with [b]3.5 GPAs and 1250 SATs.[/b]  As if a kid with a 4.5 and a 1590 SAT couildn't write a coherent 150 word essay.  [/quote]

You're dreaming if you think most kids accepted to VT have the bolded stats.  You simply can't get over the fact that your kid was not accepted.  Move on.[/quote]

A 3.4 uw and 4.0 w gpa is pretty average at most high schools in Nova[/quote]
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VT's average is 4.4W  :D [/quote]

No.  VT’s WGPA average is 3.97. GMUs is 3.8z  UVA/WM WGPA is around 4.4.[/quote]

Link to this information? 
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I'm a different poster, but here's a link/info:
For 2022-2023==enrolled freshman, from SCHEV database: https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

GMU   Median GPA: 3.76       %submitting test scores: 38.5%      1160-1340
JMU    Median GPA:  3.88       %submitting test scores: 26.2%      1160-1310
VT      Median GPA:  4.04       %submitting test scores:  56.6%      1230-1400
WM     Median GPA :4.33       %submitting test scores:   70.6%      1375-1520
UVA    Median GPA: 4.4          %submitting test scores:  70.9%      1400-1520

UVA& W&M are most similar, with high percentages of submitted test scores, nearly identical SAT spreads except W&M.

VT seems in the middle, with lower GPA and scores, and lower number of people submitting test scores than UVA/W&M, but higher than GMU/JMU.

Surprising to me that GMU seems almost identical to JMU in terms of stats of enrolled students--slightly higher SATs and higher percent of kids submitting scores.  Slightly lower median GPA.  In the past I thought of JMU as enrolling stronger students that GMU.  It may be that students who start at GMU as freshman are very strong but then GMU has a higher transfer population from NOVA due to its proximity.
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The percentage submitting is really the interesting number.  Overall, those with lower percentages submitting are less selective than a school with a higher percentage submitting all other things being equal.  The SAT range for JMU, for instance, is only reflective of slightly more than a quarter of the enrolled class.  It is less than half of VT's submitting percentage and only about 37% of the percentage submitting for UVA and W&M.  [/quote]

I think the numbers are showing a downward trend in students' academic quality for JMU--it's really surprising to me that it has slightly lower SATs than GMU even though a fewer percent of students submitted scores to JMU.  I think the rise of VT and GMU has come at a cost to JMU--maybe because they are perceived to have more STEM/career focus? This is a precarious time for colleges because after all these years of competing for students, they are going to be hitting the demographic cliff that started in lower birth rates in 2008/2009 recession and never quite let up.  I wonder if JMU's strategy is to become popular with a broader range of students rather than to continuously admit more academically strong students?  I know GMUs strategy has been to grow to meet demand rather than to become increasingly selective.[/quote]

Not making excuses, but I believe the college class of 2026 was the first time JMU accepted the Common App.  Applications have increased tremendously. Probably take them a couple of cycles to figure out where they "want to be".[/quote]

This is a good point--the data may need to shake out after a bit.  But plenty of schools have grown their profile/reputation by becoming less selective in terms of scores--there are obviously more kids with lower grades and SATs than those without.  By loosening their admissions they can attract more people who think they have a chance which grows their popularity--an attractive safety or low-target is more needed than yet another competitive school.

VT is already doing this to some degree by having a fairly wide and less predictable acceptance pattern with variation by majors.  VT is attracting more applications each year which necessarily lowers its acceptance rate, but it's not really becoming notably that much harder to get into when you look at GPA/SAT.  UVA and WM which have much smaller student bodies instead just steadily attract more applications and continue to just admit mainly the highest scorers.[/quote]

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