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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The police have got to do a better job in DTSS.  It seems to attract youth from neighboring areas and shootings have gotten out of control.  Years ago, it wasn't like this.  It's a shame and I feel sorry for the businesses that will suffer when people don't feel safe going there anymore.[/quote]

There have only been a few people shot in DTSS in the last few years. Lots of other crimes, lots of gunshots at night with no one reported hit, but there isn’t an epidemic of people being shot.

And what do you mean about attracting youth from neighboring areas? Bringing in people who don’t live in 20910 is a goal of the area. 20910 residents can’t support businesses on our own. We want people to come from all over to shop, eat, and enjoy entertainment and recreation venues. Most youth are not committing any crimes. They are however, often working class and Black or Brown which triggers the gentrifiers. Not louder than WJ and Churchill kids at Montgomery Mall. Not ruder than kids at Whitman, Wootten,or MoCo’s private HSs.[/quote]

WJ, Churchill, Wooten, Whitman, and private school kids are not shooting people in parking garage stairwells.  [/quote]

Neither are my sons and their friends who like to go to SS to movies and the like. [/quote]
Are you afraid that they may be victims of violence going out in SS? Do you give them any advice to take precautions?[/quote]

DP. My son, daughter, and their friends hang out in DTSS 2-3 times a week. I worry more that the boys (all AA and African honor students at Blair) will be harassed or physically harmed by the police than I worry they will be robbed, stabbed, or shot by criminals.[/quote]

^^^ this is why people should probably just move if they dont agree with reduced policing. MoCo is absolutely enacting a plan to further reduce police contact with residents in the less wealthy areas. As you can see, this is a welcome measure by many residents.  I sold my house and left. It will only get worse from here in terms of crime. But thats what democracy us about. The people have spoken. [/quote]

They are making police contact equal to the all white areas. [/quote]
What does that mean?[/quote]

Do you know what pretext stops are?[/quote]

FYI, I am very obviously white and when I was in my late 20s, I was pulled over three times in Moco in the span of three years for pretextual reasons: (1) light over license plate had gone out, (2) not coming to a complete stop before making a right turn on red (I actually did), and (3) one cop pulled me over, and then was quickly joined by two others who all surrounded me; but they never gave me any explanation and let me go after about 15 minutes. No tickets for any of this (well, I was issued a notice to get the license plate light fixed, and I had to have it signed by a police officer at a police station once I completed the repair). Each time, I fully complied with the officers and went on my way. Pretextual stops can happen to anyone. Just comply with the officer instructions if you have really done nothing wrong; it's not that hard. [/quote]

So you agree they happen in Montgomery county. So you now know why it’s so dangerous because black people comply and die and white people fight and don’t die. You stayed safe because you were white.

Also 3x is not a lot in 3 years, shows how easy it is to be white in moco.

It’s actually funny you wrote it like 3 was a lot.[/quote]

Umm, I didn't fight. Sorry that you think fighting is an appropriate way to handle a police encounter. I was polite and respectful, even when three cop cards surrounded me for no reason. I stayed safe because I didn't fight.

BTW, I have had more times that I have been pulled over since then. The three I first described were all from when I first moved here. Since then, I was pulled over for being passed due on the emissions test (I never got the notice). Another time, one of my headlights was out and I hadn't realized it. Oh, and once in downtown SS, a cop even stopped me for jaywalking and gave me a lecture, even though the two-lane road was totally free from cars. No tickets for any of these.

Can you provide a cite to any instance in Moco where a black person complied with officer instructions, wasn't displaying a weapon, and died?

I know there's a narrative that white people are not pulled over for stupid stuff, but it happens. I don't care.[/quote]

You stayed safe because you’re White and didn’t fight. There are plenty of eyewitness accounts and even video that show Black, Latino, and Indigenous drivers not fighting and being beaten or even killed. [/quote]

I know it wasn’t in MoCo, but surely you haven’t already forgotten about George Floyd?  POC can do everything right and still end up dead.[/quote]

“Everything right?”

“Hoop” narcotics?
Pass counterfeit money?
Fight the police?

George Floyd died of an overdose and his own stupidity, assisted on his way by at least one stupid cop. [/quote]

What do you blame Philando Castile for?[/quote]

Deaths like Floyd and Castile are of course tragic and should not have happened but that’s two in the past several years. How many more people have been senselessly killed by gun violence like the father in the SS parking garage? Just because Castile and Floyd died unnecessarily, that doesn’t mean reducing the number of police is the solution.

SS is quickly going to become a place that most people don’t want to visit anymore. And that’s a shame. But again, keep convincing yourself that the police are the problem. The criminals have totally won this battle and are probably overjoyed that regular folks are advocating on their behalf by ensuring that there are not enough police to keep up with them. [/quote]

https://sayevery.name/

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I clicked on a couple of folks on that page, and their deaths had nothing to do with police officers. So if your point was that we need more police to prevent these senseless deaths, I totally agree. [/quote]

They were all murdered by police [/quote]

Please go back and review the site. That’s not the purpose, even according to the description at the very top. Many deaths on that page are not police related.

It is still a tragic list. [/quote]

You are wrong they were all killed by law enforcement…
From the 1st page:
This highlights Black people killed by U.S. law enforcement [/quote]

You didn’t read (or copy to DCUM) the rest of that sentence. It is a list:

This work in progress highlights Black people killed by U.S. law enforcement (★), civilians (⦿), unknown (◇)

Many of the names have the circle and diamond shapes next to them, which are NOT law enforcement deaths. [/quote]

You said black parole for by police because they fight.

I post a website that shows that is not true because many were innocently shopping or sleeping on their couch.

You say my link is meaning less because some on the list were not killed by cops.  :shock:

Look at the ones with stars. Were there any black innocent jon violent people murdered by police. Because you seem to think black people deserve to die if they own a gun, refuse to be illegally detained, as why they are being arrested, etc

So again do you see any innocent people who were completely docile that were murdered by cops on the link?[/quote]

I will not discuss this with you. I posted an objective statement that contained absolutely no opinion. It was simply clarifying something you posted using language from your link. Everything you typed here is from your perception or belief of me and nothing more. [/quote]

I’ll take that as a white flag 🏳️.

From you Umm, I didn't fight. Sorry that you think fighting is an appropriate way to handle a police encounter. I was polite and respectful, even when three cop cards surrounded me for no reason. I stayed safe because I didn't fight. 
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Once again… I made no opinion statement. All I have posted on this entire thread is 100% backed-up fact.  (I also don’t understand your point here?)

I did ask the question above, which appears to have gone unanswered. What do you think the county should do about crime in DTSS?[/quote]

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