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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'll elaborate.  A lot of it comes down to religious freedom.   If "marriage" can be expanded, the worry is how does that affect churches that don't believe marriage is possible other than between a man and a woman?  Is the govt going to make catholic charities allow gay adoptions?  Are they going to make them offer gay couples marriage housing at catholic universities?  Are they going to make priests officiate at gay marriages?  The separation of church and state is not as absolute as many as you think and would like.

Civil unions are fine, the issue is calling it "marriage".[/quote]

This is a tired old argument.  No one is saying that a gay couple can come into your church and you have to marry them.  Gay marriage means that a couple who DOES find an open-minded church that wants to marry them, get to be as married as anybody else.

Your church is still free to be as bigoted as it wants.

If catholic charities and catholic universities are not churches, then yes, they are subject to the same laws about discrimination in housing as anybody else.  Rather than rehash this, do a search on dcurbanmom.com and birth control +catholic.[/quote]

Not the pp, but I will say this. You're fooling yourself if you believe that churches won't be forced to marry gay couples if gay marriage is made legal on a federal level. I can just see the lawsuits coming from gay people who were denied their personal freedom to marry at a church.

And again, just because a person has viewpoints that are different from your own does not make them bigoted. It makes them different. Please grow up and realize that we all don't have to think and/or feel the same to get along and have respect for one another. [/quote]

It makes you bigoted if you act on those beliefs, i.e. go to a voting booth. Then you're not just "different." You're a bigot. And no, I don't have to respect anyone who does that. [/quote]

No, it doesn't make you a bigot. I understand that it's easy to stoop to name-calling when you're frustrated, but try to rise above. [/quote]

Yes it does. I know you have to find a way to reconcile yourself with yourself, but what people are doing is simply pointing out the facts. If you're free to have beliefs about things, well, that goes both ways and I don't have to respect you. That does make me frustrated. But it's not "name calling" when people are simply responding to the fallacy of how you choose to define something. You're trying to pound a square peg into a round hole and come out unscathed. Doesn't work that way. Bigotry is what it is, plain and simple. [/quote]

You absolutely don't have to respect my opinion. The difference is that I can disagree with someone's opinion while still respecting their right to their own opinion. I don't feel that my position is "right"; I just believe it is my position.

I'm sorry that you have so loosely defined bigotry. But I guess it helps with the whole labeling of people thing. Cuts down on actually intelligently listening to a person's viewpoints and gaining some insight into how personal beliefs, life experiences, etc shape who we are and what we believe. [/quote]

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