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[quote=Anonymous]Gosh this is the STRANGEST argument and analogy.

Let's look at the LDS example. So we have a man who was actively sexually molesting his child. He went to a clergy member about it. The clergy member sought advice from the church, and the church's lawyers said not to tell. Notably, the lawyers of this church have lobbied governments to make it so that clergy members don't have to report. So the abuse goes on for years and years.

Rather than looking at the actual crime her, look at what fostered it:

- religion influencing the law (and there is a huge history of this in the world, obviously, and a lot of it still remains)

a church directing abuse questions to individuals who protect the church legally rather than giving moral guidance

- a member of the clergy who would have reported if the church hadn't had the influence over him that they did.

How can you analogize this to NAMBLA? Does NAMBLA solicit confessions and tell people not to report? Does NAMBLA lobby successfully for exemptions to child abuse reporting laws? Does NAMBLA have members who are against pedophilia but feel compelled to foster it all the same?

Moreover, are there geographic communities were you are more likely to be a community leader if you're a member of NAMBLA? Do parents pressure their kids to be members of NAMBLA? Is the government full of NAMBLA members?

I do think atheist philosophy and child abuse is an interesting and useful conversation. Not many people know that Sartre and his fellow philosophers advocated (without success) for lowering age of consent laws. But the power of atheists *in their capacity as atheists* is nothing. It's actually going to make you less powerful. I just looked it up and right now there are two federal elected representatives who are atheists, and maybe 75 state representatives. And atheist lobbies advocate for things like birth control access (which is probably not going well) and not giving money to churches, not for things that foster abuse in their organizations.  [/quote]

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