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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]If posters on this thread who actually have school children want to minimize the virtual time in January, then practice maximum Covid precautions over the break. Avoid travel, wear your masks, skip the holiday gatherings, and don’t let your teens go to gatherings. Encourage your friends to do the same.  I know it’s hard, but that’s what we have to do. Sometimes it’s hard to be the responsible adult, but it’s our job. Good luck. [/quote]

I agree with you. Sadly however….

Making personal sacrifices in the name of public health and community-mindedness is not something we’ve collectively proven ourselves capable of doing. [/quote]

This is ridiculous. Children around the country lost a over a year of education, many of whom will literally never recover. The harm from DL is documented, widespread, and hurts the most vulnerable children disproportionately. At the same time, women left the workforce in numbers not seen in modern times, and for many of them, they will take a lifelong hit to earnings and will not regain their careers.

People like you who whine on and on about how people don’t know how or can’t make personal sacrifices sound entitled, arrogant, and out of touch. Many, many people (disproportionately vulnerable children, service workers, and poorer women) showed they can make enormous sacrifices for society. But that’s not good enough for you. You aren’t getting exactly what you want, so you are throwing a tantrum and pretending nobody sacrificed enormously.[/quote]

DP. Calm down. I suspect you are on the same side. Many people (including on this board) refuse to make “easy” sacrifices in terms of wearing masks (eg thread of posters looking for mask optional schools) or people threatening picket lines and moving to Florida if they have virtual school for even two weeks in January leading to the much starker sacrifices you speak of. We should ALL be willing to make the short term sacrifices so that we can avoid putting any of us in the position of having to make the long term ones. [/quote]

No, we aren’t on the same side. I don’t believe in asking people to engage in performative virus theater that is not likely to have measurable public health benefit while at the same time lecturing others on how they aren’t willing to sacrifice. It is absurd to believe, this far into the pandemic, that closing schools for two weeks will have any real benefit that would prevent the enormous harms many people have already suffered. [/quote]

Uh, future policies can't remedy past harms because of those two pesky words, PAST and FUTURE.  Maybe that's why your crowd really doesn't grasp public policy and has to infantilize the concepts down to theatrical level to talk about it.

Sadly, lots of studies now show that no amount of information or emphasis on compassion is going to make any difference. You will be the ocean that this virus keeps swimming around in and mutating in so that it never really goes away.

That will change your kids' lives for good, not one episode when they were 16 or under.  Well done.[/quote]

So, here we have someone both clearly science-ignorant and overtly nasty who is lecturing others on incorrect science and compassion she clearly has no understanding of. The lack of self-awareness is striking.

Be better, PP. And learn a little basic epidemiology while you are at it.[/quote]

Actual epidemiologist here; and also a new poster. Masks (of appropriate standards and worn correctly) ARE EFFECTIVE, just as rigorous testing and subsequent temporary closures where outbreaks are present, are appropriate. I am not sure what you attempt to get at above, but actual science backs all of that up. [/quote]

Of course masks work. So does testing. I never said anything about those, that was all imagined commentary from the fever dreams of the nasty poster above. Short term school shut downs have not been proven to stop community covid spread, so that is an open debate.

That PP believes (as per her exact words, not the imaginary words she came up with) that a two week shut down will stop covid spread such that people don't have to make long term sacrifices. That is outright delusional and why she needs to learn basic epidemiology.
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You are missing the point and sound like you are really a joy to boot.

Short term sacrifices for greater good have been an issue since day 1 of the pandemic. Our collective inability to make them led to all of the more serious issues you describe. Does a school going virtual in January for 10 days result in a woman leaving the workforce? I would doubt it. But it might prevent added omicron spread. That’s the point. [/quote]

"Might?" That where you are? My God. I can't even. Covid theater indeed.[/quote]

Epidemiologist back again. You are reading far too much into one word. Read this article. 
https://www.science.org/content/article/does-closing-schools-slow-spread-novel-coronavirus[/quote]

I’m pretty sure the PP will eventually tell you too to learn some basic epidemiology.  You know, like she has.  [/quote]

The epidemiologist needs to learn the difference between a study and a random interview.[/quote]

I think her source was “dumbed down” for you sweetie. [/quote]

Fine. Post the good studies that demonstrate that short term school closures have a significant impact on reducing community covid spread. You are advocating for them so strongly that you must have evidence.

I have advanced STEM degrees and am fine reading and analyzing studies. I don’t need a useless speculative interview. We have two years of school closures. There should be many studies showing that short term school closures reduce community spread in a measurable way.

What studies out there conclusively demonstrate that closing schools for two weeks in January will have beneficial impact?[/quote]
NP but I am not in favor of closing schools for two weeks, however I am in favor if schools testing everyone prior to coming back in person . [/quote]

PP here. I am in favor of that too. The people I am responding to are advocating for school closures, however, and given the known and now documented cost of school closures, I would like to see the rigorous academic work that justifies that position in light of the known costs of closures.[/quote]

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