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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wonder what they do with the infamous rape/nonconsensual scene. [/quote]

That’s not rape. I read the Vox article, and I found it troubling to equate the scene with rape.

And, the whole storyline is irrational.

“I love you so deeply, but I won’t sleep with you anymore.” Riiiiiiiight.[/quote]

IDK, wouldn't we consider it a type of rape now in 2020 if a woman manipulated a man into impregnating her against his wishes?[/quote]

Trapping a man with a pregnancy is NOT the same as rape. He wasn’t forced to have sex. And, in 2020, men can opt for a condom.

The scene was just yet another ridiculous piece of the weak, unbelievable story. It was less disturbing than the pulling out scenes. [/quote]

She deliberately gets him drunk in order to "take advantage" of him and, iirc, he even tells her during the act that he doesn't want to come in her and she refuses to let him pull out.

If a man did that to a woman, it would be rape.[/quote]

Men do that to women all the time in reverse.

"I'll pull out."

...

"Oops."

I am annoyed by the chorus of voices that keep insisting that [b]what Daphne does to Simon is rape, and that this is shocking[/b]. The nineteenth century had child marriage, slavery, prostitution, poorhouses, forced conscription, indentured servitude,  colonial exploitation, etc. To clutch your pearls about a sex scene where a woman climbs on top seems absurd. Any person FROM 1813 would laugh at your ideas about consent.

I do have a little more trouble suspending belief about the depth of Daphne's ignorance, however. This is a pre-Victorian era, and I don't think a particularly prudish one. It strikes me as odd that a culture so obsessed with breeding wouldn't discuss the fundamentals, or would be embarrassed by them.

Regarding Daphne's looks: she looks exactly like a painting of the Regency ideal of beauty. The other characters mostly don't. I don't think she looks childlike at all.--she looks like that girl on the cover of a Jane Austen novel, which, I suspect, is the point.

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Yes!! Putting current values and morals on something placed in the 1800's doesn't work.

I see no outrage that women were property.  That they could be "ruined" simply be being with a male unsupervised, and forced into marriage.  No problem with the arrangement to have Daphne marry an ugly old man because he was a suitable match.

A woman raping a man in the 1800s? No way.[/quote]

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