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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]how stupid.  19 pages of this?  clearly there is no proof of God, nor is there proof of no god.

either you have faith or you do not.[/quote]

Oh, you have to be kidding.   The subject of religion has occupied humanity for at least the last 3,000 years.  If that's not a relevant topic of discussion, I don't know what is. Surely not IHTT or "Hiding my shopping sprees from DH".[/quote]

OP again, good morning!  This made me laugh, which is good, because my husband is about to go TAD, and I am very sad and anxious about that objective truth ;)

These PPs actually raise excellent points.  The first PP correctly observes that ultimately, believers cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists, as nonbelievers cannot prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that God does not exist.  Both believers and nonbelievers have faith that their position is true beyond a reasonable doubt, though, and that is where every such conversation must end.

The second PP is also exactly right.  There could be no more important conversation.  There are consequences when we accept or reject the existence of an absolute moral standard, a standard apart from our opinions about it.  A long time ago on this thread, I mentioned that there have been many societies premised on the assumption that there is no God, that the material world came into being spontaneously, from nothing, for no reason, with no design.  Some are still around.  Does anyone on DCUM want to live in one of those societies?

Or are you content to live in a society predicated on the Declaration that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that we are endowed by our Creator with certain inalienable rights, among these life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?"

Do any of the scientists and mathematicians here know the distance of the sun from the earth?  How do you know?  Have you experimented and measured it personally?  Or do you accept the calculation based on the work of another?  Why do you accept their authority on the subject?  How do you know that measurement is true?

Many PPs have asserted that they can come up with many good reasons why it is wrong to rip the hearts out of little babies.  And one PP stated the Aztecs were just mistaken in the facts.  With correct information, they would have been able to make the right choice.

The problem with these alternatives to an absolute moral authority is that they are still mere opinions.  And PPs would say, "exactly!  Morality is a matter of opinion!". And I would say, that position has terrible consequences.  [/quote]

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