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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You should not be allowed to score above a 1300 with accommodations.

That will cut down on fakers and cheats.

Those with real learning disabilities can choose extra time or not. Whichever is best for them. This is a way to endure  kids with learning disabilities are not shut out from higher education. They may continue to learn in college with their accommodations. I agree it’s best for society when more people are educated.

The kid who scores a 1560 using accommodations will either need to take the 1300 or see what they can actually do with standard time. [/quote]. Okay, but I think this should include ALL types of accommodations.  Like glasses.  No one should be able to take the SATs with glasses without also taking the hit to their score.  [/quote]

It makes more sense just to do this for extra time. We have a child who qualifies for extra time and would be ok with this. [/quote] Other accommodations actually make taking the test take longer, so they also need extra time because of those accommodations. For example,  a person who needs a scribe automatically gets 50% more time because it just takes longer to take the test with a scribe.  [/quote]

If you need a scribe or have profound dyslexia use the accommodations! Nobody is taking them away in this scenario. [/quote]. In this scenario, they will be further penalized for being disabled.  [/quote]

If you cannot read I’m not sure you should be taking the SAT anyway. Those are serious accommodations needed for college and an SAT score would be the least of my worries. If you are needing to show you are college capable a 1300 is sufficient—you will get into a college. Does it really need to be a top 25?[/quote]

So what you are saying is that kids who have overcome significant LDs to get good grades , contribute to their community, and have the knowledge base and aptitude to do well on the SAT with an accommodation should not be admitted to top schools. They can’t benefit from the education, don’t deserve it because they are defective, and will never make a meaningful contribution to society.

I guarantee that kid who succeeds at TJ despite ADHD has worked harder than your kid, accomplished more than your kid, has more Grit than your kid and is  as bright, if not brighter than your kid.  Why does he deserve a UVA, or even a Princeton education?

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I say if you cannot read you shouldn’t get into a top college—if you did so because you had someone else read for you. I’m sure there are smart kids who cannot read. They can go to a less selective school with the 1300 they will score. I’m sure there are geniuses with profound dyslexia. A not-top-50 school won’t hurt them.

ADHD is a made up diagnosis. I believe kids should be allowed accommodations to access a curriculum but not for measures  of achievement.

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Top colleges what kids that will go back into the community and become a leader.

They want a blind student who will improve lives for the blind.

They want dyslexic kids that will lead research to improve education for dyslexic people (not to mention they have a higher rate of owning huge companies... so they want the money.)

They don't want your... I want to be a doctor or I want to do Big Law kids. Go to your state college... do the honor program.... tell everybody... But it's the honor program. [/quote]

I can promise you that Harvard doesn’t want kids who cannot read or write. But there are laws to protect them from discrimination.

Yes. There are many CEOs who report to have been dyslexic to some degree. Also many prison inmates. Let’s not go there. Dyslexia does not make you smarter or more likely to own a business.

I wouldn’t say kids with LDs or ADHD have more grit either. They are just normal kids. [/quote]

I can promise you that Harvard wants a kid that is able to perform within a certain range and if that child is blind and/or profoundly dyslexic... all the better.

Sorry, a perfect score ... good for your state schools honor program... not Harvard. [/quote]

FFS why are you against disclosing accommodations then?[/quote]

I’m not. It’s against the law. You want to get rid if hipaa? Disclose all medical information.

Also disclose how much test prep.

I’m all about transparency.[/quote]

Sorry your kid failed so miserably that you must pull everyone else down...that's the ticket.[/quote]

Sorry you are afraid of transparency with you kid but demand it for others.

My kid didn't fail because we were smart enough to put her in rowing.[/quote]

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