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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] Again, do you think this is some kind of college dorm room debate? The cornerstone of safe biking is staying visible to cars and not getting yourself in a position where they'll run over you. The issue with crosswalks comes up mainly in the context of sidewalk biking, for which I provided extensive links. But I'll explain it again: when a bike (or scooter or other vehicle) comes off the sidewalk into the intersection (i.e., in a crosswalk) it is not visible to cars, because cars may not be able to see and don't expect to see something traveling at the speed of a bike in the crosswalk, and do not have time to stop. This applies equally to a bike path like in the video. Additionally, there are parked cars and trees and other obstacles that can make it hard for both bikers and car to see each other from the sidewalk. Thus, [b]the advice is to either get off your bike and walk it across the crosswalk[/b], or proceed VERY carefully and slowly if you are SURE that there are no cars approaching in any direction. [/quote] You keep saying that that's the advice. But who is providing this advice, besides you?[/quote] I posted a zillion links before. But here are some more. Again, they mostly discuss entering the intersection from a sidewalk or driveway, which is functionally similar as from a bike path in this case. https://www.npr.org/2016/10/16/496865680/6-things-you-need-to-know-about-cycling-on-the-sidewalk https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/bike-accidents-collisions-with-cars-29549-2.html https://www.bicycleaccidentprevention.com/ [/quote] None of these links advise people to walk their bicycles across intersections.[/quote] you just can't let this go, can you? I sincerely hope you're not actually out biking with your kids. [/quote] NP here. The advice I have seen is to cross at a pedestrian pace (because that is what drivers will be looking for) which does not mean dismounting. It looks like the family here was riding across at a pedestrian pace (and indeed, its hard for a young child to exceed such pace). And to look, yes, but that does not mean waiting till there is no car traffic anywhere. O[b]nce the walker or biker is in the crosswalk, the driver is expected to stop[/b] (in Va, to yield). [/quote] Yes, the driver should stop, but many states (not sure about VA, MD and DC) also have rules requiring that pedestrians and bikes not launch themselves into intersections where the car does not have the time to stop. The driver can only stop if he actually sees you and has time to stop. [/quote] The car on the left, which took the video WAS stopped. Evidently they were able to see the family crossing. Even if the SUV that almost hit the kid could not see them, they should have seen the stopped car on the left, and that should have been a warning to slow down. And it looks to me like they sped through and did not even try to slow down - they may have been speeding to begin with, which would make stopping in time more difficult. To make crossing safer, we may need lower and better enforced speed limits. It certainly does not appear to me that the family did anything wrong. [/quote] The car on the left had their turn signal on because they were turning right after the crosswalk. The SUV probably thought the car was stopped to wait to turn and didn’t see the kid in the crosswalk.[/quote] The video shows them proceeding straight after the crosswalk. And being in the left lane. And I don't see any cross street there to turn onto. It seems pretty clear to me they were stopped for the folks in the crosswalk. The SUV just decided to speed on obliviously. [/quote]
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