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Really...  you think the millionaire execs were only making this much because of ACA?  I have an idea.. why don't you tell Trump and Rs to curb their pay and bring down the cost. Maybe that would help ALL Americans. What do you say to that? I'm all for it. You think Trump will go for it?[/quote]

Before Obamacare:[b] Health care execs made millions, and the lower middle class could afford a once-a-year vacation.[/b]

Under Obamacare: Health care execs still make millions, and the lower middle class can't afford a once-a-year vacation.

See the difference?

I doubt Trump will make things better, but it's weird that liberals can't understand that folks have good reason to be unhappy with their ridiculously crappy with their health care plans under Obamacare. [/quote]
Are you f*n kidding me?  Prior to ACA MILLIONS didn't have insurance.  Seriously, what the hell do you think ACA was trying to address.  The lower/middle class were being helped by the subsidies, but only if their governor accepted the medicaid expansion. And several red states didn't expand their medicaid program so their lower/middle income people couldn't afford the healthinsurance.  Please tell me you knew this part.[/quote]

I'll say it again: If someone needed to tighten their belt to pay for the poor, it should have been the rich health care execs, not the lower middle class. [/quote]
And I'll say it again, who do you think will make the CEOs tighten their belt so that everyone could afford health insurance?  HINT: it sure hell isn't Trump or the Rs.  [/quote]

Probably not. But we also know for sure it's not the Dems because they did otherwise. They actually had the opportunity, and they chose to screw over the lower middle class instead. [/quote]
Dems voted for the subsidies. Rs fought against it. Dems wanted to cover millions of uninsured. Rs never put forth any alternative to do this.  Who exactly was trying to screw over the lower/middle class in this scenario?[/quote]

Obamacare is called Obamacare because it's Obama's health care plan. It was passed by Ds and Is in the Senate - no Rs. The Dems own it. [/quote]
Yes, that's right. Still shows that it was the Dems that tried to help the  lower/middle class and not the Rs, which is what was being addressed not "who owns ACA".[/quote]
NO. The Dems tried to help the lower class, and in the process screwed over the middle class. All they did was switch who can afford medical care. Now the lower class get all the free care, and the middle class has to go without. [/quote]
Define "middle class" because  for a family of four with a HHI of $97K, they could get subsidies.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/health/finding-health-insurance/maximum-income-obamcare-premium-assistance/

Also, those in the middle class (and others) who couldn't get insurance due to pre-existing conditions were also helped by ACA.  [/quote]
Also, for that family of four with that HHI, your expected contribution to a silver plan is 9.69% of your income.

https://www.healthinsurance.org/obamacare/will-you-receive-an-obamacare-premium-subsidy/

So, unless Trump does away with this part of the provision (set limit of how much you contribute based on your income), if the premiums go up for these folks (which it will if the EO goes through), guess who will be paying for the difference?  It will be the higher earners, ie, the middle/upper.

And if the insurance companies pull out of the exchange because they are no longer getting those subsidies, then *EVERYONE* who gets private insurance from those companies will lose coverage.

Congratulations!  Now the ACA has imploded and millions have lost coverage. [/quote]

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