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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Affirmative action is a racist policy. [b]It says here are our normal standards to get in SAT/ACT wise and GPA wise. However, since you are black or hispanic you do not need to meet the normal standards because you can't and so we allow you to come in with lower scores and GPAs. This is in effect telling minorities they are inferior to Whites because they do not need to have the same scores or grades. [/b]How many of these Affirmative action kids drop out after a semester or year as well cause they did not go to a place they truly fit in? [/quote]

A) This is not what affirmative action "says"
B) Holistic admission accounts for more than just grades and GPA because schools want interesting, dynamic, students who aren't just book smart - regardless of race.  I know I am glad the school I went to looked at more than just grades and test scores.  
C) Kids drop out of schools for all sorts of reasons but not one of them is affirmative action. You are spewing nonsense.  In fact, if schools also focused on supporting kids once they were admitted and not exposing them to the kind of prejudiced views you hold, they might feel more included in the college community.[/quote]

She is not spewing nonsense. Affirmative action needs to end because it is an institutionalized form of racism and no longer needed.[/quote]
+ 1 Students admitted under affirmative action policies graduate at much lower rates. Why this should surprise anyone is odd. After all, they were admitted with lower grades and scores that would have put them in the reject pile if they were white, Asian, or Jewish. This very reliable source says that the lowest completion rate, defined at graduating four years from when one started a specific institution,  is lowest among black males (40%) and highest among Asian females (75%).

it's a fair argument as to whether we continue to "owe" blacks preferential treatment (and if so, for how many more generations), but AA is a costly policy, admitting students who are less likely to graduate and denying students more likely to graduate.

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/04/26/college-completion-rates-vary-race-and-ethnicity-report-finds[/quote]

Are you claiming there are hoards of white high school students who don't get into college at all because of AA?  So they end up not getting a college education?  Seems to me that is an applicant can't even get into a single college perhaps he wasn't ready for higher education.[/quote]
No, but a black applicant admitted to a top-tier school under lower standards, where the white student is rejected, is definitely costing that white student a slot. Now you can argue that the white student can go to a 2nd-tier school, but I am saying why should the black kid get to go to the better school and the white kid to a lesser school despite the fact that the white kid had higher grades and scores? Patently unfair and racist. 
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Or you could say that the white, black, and Hispanic kids are taking away admissions slots for Asian Americans....[/quote]
....if the Asian Americans are the most qualified and smartest, fine. [/quote]

See, white parents say that. And then you end up with a TJ class that is 75% Asian. And white parents lose their sh*t.  I wonder how you would feel if you had a smart, well qualified white kid who was not admitted to a top school that wa75% Asian. Very few white parents are okay with this IRL.  Or were AA or Hispanic--  which have about 7 kids admitted (outof 480) from each group.  Maybe you are different. Or maybe you have never been in this situation.  [/quote]
I'm not saying that there should be NO factors weighing into admissions other than grades and scores., but race should not be one of them. I'm one of the PPs arguing for income-based AA. This would still give a leg up to black kids from poorer families, which is valid, but I am opposed to schools that have formulas that aim to "match" percentages; e.g. 14% of the population is black so we need to make the class 14% black, so let's come up admission parameters for blacks to meet this goal.

I have no kids at TJ.
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Blacks at top universities are already much lower than their share of the national population. It is the asians and jews who are taking over 50% of the deats when they are only 7% of the population. Without Affirmative action black percentage will drop down to negligible and Asian/jew will be at 75%. Are you ok with that?[/quote]

Over 14% of Harvard's admittances were black which is greater than the percentage of black people in this country.  And of course in a race blind world Asians and Jews would be disproportionately represented because those two groups outperform the average.  What exactly is wrong with that?[/quote]

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