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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think it's offensive to all women when a man can claim that he is a woman, even though he clearly is not[/quote]

It's not my intention to attack you at all, because I can honestly see why you'd say that,  I do see your point, but your post reminded me of my own majorly minority opinion...

In contrast, I personally think it's offensive when someone has an opinion about anyone else's gender identity. Only the person living in the brain and body knows their own experiences so I would never be able to say someone else is "clearly" anything other than what they say they are. The gender identity spectrum is too complicated for that and about more than just what parts someone has. [/quote]

I don't intend to attack you either.

Why are people allowed to have 'opinions' on their gender identity. It's pretty binary (not talking about hermaphrodites). I live in my own body and know my own experiences. I say I am Rasputin. Do you accept this? If not why do you accept Bruce being Belinda?[/quote]

I welcome this sort of civil discussion on what I consider an interesting and important topic.

Well, because I don't believe that gender identity is at all binary. I don't actually believe in two genders; I think evidence from societies other than our own suggests that that's an incomplete and overly limiting standard that we have because it's been ingrained in our culture. Men and women obviously exist, but as far as I'm concerned and aware so does basically an entire 'color wheel' of sorts of shades of other gender identities that are equally as legitimate.

Regarding Rasputin, first of all regardless of what I believe and mentally accept, in almost all cases I will at a minimum address people as they wish me to so if this is a genuine part of your identity not hyperbole to make a point I would absolutely call you by that name.

In terms of what I would accept of your identity... my understanding of time is such that I don't believe you can be THAT Rasputin exactly; he lived and died long ago in a different society. He was a specific individual and that specific identity has already been claimed. No two people are completely identical, as I know he never made a clone. That said, you could definitely be A Rasputin or even a reincarnation or regeneration OF Rasputin...but existing in your time and place instead of the one he originally lived in has made you fundamentally different from the original. You know your experiences. If you're Rasputin, than I'll refer to you as such and hope to develop a better understanding of what that means for you so that I can relate to you as you are and not as you only physically appear.

I accept that anyone is who they identify as unless it's done for fraudulent purposes. The interview clip I saw said Jenner still wanted to be called Bruce for now at this point in the transition, so if that's accurate I'll use that name until another one is accurate and preferred.[/quote]

But where would you draw the line and why would you draw it there?[/quote]

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