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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Part of the idea, I take it, is to take down the existing police union. I've been curious how that plays out from the standpoint of labor relations law--is there a potential legal fight in that arena? Any labor relations experts on here?

Also, listening to something on NPR last night I wondered about POST (police officers standards and training is what I think is  means) which is the entity in charge of licensing police. How has that played out in connection with police being disciplined/fired and unions overturning department discipline when it does occur?

For the past several years I have thought that there needs to be more of a preserve life mandate in use of force standards and how to weigh threat and risk. The legal precedent always invokes them having to make split second decisions in rapidly evolving situations. Ok. [b]ER doctors also have to make split second decisions in rapidly evolving situations when it comes to very acute medical conditions and trauma. Are they better at making correct decisions than are LE?[/b] Reading about a restraint death (white man, drunk and on meth, turned out to have an enlarged heart as well, violently resisting and broke officer's orbital bones when he punched him while attempting to restrain in a muddy ditch)  in OK that went to trial (summary judgment in favor of the police). As soon as cops realize he is not breathing they ask a bystander (man's family and friends were nearby) to call 911 and 2 bystanders trained in CPR, one a nurse, are correcting the officers' CPR methods because they don't have the guy positioned correctly.

The decision, btw, is enlightening in how the cops could end up being exonerated although the video surely will help avoid that possibility, although in the cops' favor (in OK) was that they seemed to recognize fairly quickly when the man became nonresponsive. Does anyone know at what point EMTs were called in the Floyd case and what was said on the call? [/quote]

ER doctors have 12 years of training (4 years undergrad+ 4 years med school+ 4 residency). This also means 12 years where these individuals are constantly evaluated for their fitness to be in this profession

LEOs have anywhere from 3-6 months of training. Just for comparison, dental hygenist, hair stylist, culinary school, etc all have longer training periods. It's mind-boggling that people who are legally empowered to use lethal force and are charged with public safety have such a short training and evaluative period.

Before someone thinks that I want police to have 12 year training period, that's definitively not my point. I think we should move to Norwegian model of 3 years of training- 1st and 3rd at school, 2nd year in the field.[/quote]

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