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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The defund groups really do want to get rid of all police.  People on here keep saying that is not what defund means, but it depends which group.  The 8 can't wait group will keep some police, but a new group 8 to abdicate truly wants to get rid of the police and is where the movement is headed.  You can see it at [url]https://www.8toabolition.com[/url] or check  #8toAbolition on twitter.

While money can be moved around to social programs which should help reduce crime, even if everyone's needs are met there will still be crime.  Assault, murder, rape, etc... are often committed for reasons besides people making ends meet.  If people really want to see ProPublica's rticle on what happens.  [url]https://features.propublica.org/local-reporting-network-alaska/alaska-sexual-violence-village-police/[/url]  If you read the article you will see how rapes and assualts go unchecked without a real police force.  Hopefully the abolition people will not get their way or we are going to be Mad Max in the cities.
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You can live without police now -- just move to an Alaska village! I posted a couple of articles about the rate of sexual assault in Alaska in the other thread that got locked.  Surveys show that 59% of women in Alaska have been the subject of violence, and it is estimated that approaching 100% of women in remote villages have been sexually assaulted.   It's not the men who suffer when there is no law enforcement. [/quote]

The situation with remote Alaskan villages is more complicated than lack of police, it's lack of a lot of social resources. There was an NPR program profiling a woman who is one of the non-LE community officers they rely on, and suicide was as much of the problems she was dealing with as sexual violence. And it is within the context of what has been and continues to be done to indigenous communities, so it's not just a "no police" issue.

Similar problems apply to non-indigenous impoverished rural areas outside of Alaska. [/quote]

Suicide and substance abuse are also huge problems in rural Alaska, but scope of the sexual assault problem is mind-boggling.  The people who actually live in these villages are begging for the resources to provide adequate policing.  What in the history of humans makes people think that letting people live without the threat of incarceration of enforcement of social norms is a good idea?

Like I said, if you really want to experience what it is to live without police, you should go live in an Alaskan village and see how you like it.

As a another data point, it took two days for armed "enforcers" to appear in the "Seattle Autonomous Zone" and start assaulting people for misbehavior.  [/quote]

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