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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You people are absolutely f'ing deranged. I am Iranian. My parents are Iranian. My entire very large extended family is Iranian. Every. Single. One. of the Iranian people I know are absolutely THRILLED with this turn of events. They are literally taking to the streets and celebrating, including here in DC.

I am a lifelong progressive Democrat. Typically, progressives center the narratives of people directly affected and allow them to define their own oppression. But now that they see an opening to criticize Israel (75% of this thread is foaming-at-the mouth, over-the-top, ISIS-level anti-Israel conspiracy propaganda), suddenly what actual Iranians say and feel doesn't matter to them at all. I don't care that Israel was involved here. I simply do not care. If they're the ones that create a catalyst for change in my country that ends up freeing 93 million people from the hellscape they've been living in, great. You people are so BLINDED by your maniacal hatred of Israel and to a lesser extent Trump (who I'm no fan of generally) that you can't perceive the absolute absurd hypocrisy of your position.

It's fine to object to this on the basis that it's not America's affair and they should stay out of it, because tax dollars or whatever BS (so far, only six American service members have (tragically) died, so I really don't think it's concern for our troops). Immoral position to take in the face of this regime, but ok. That's not what most of this thread is doing, though. People are instead moralizing at actual Iranians and pretending to care about the girls school that was bombed (unconfirmed that this was even Israel/the US and not Iran itself) or the future of Iran. Where were you when this regime murder FORTY THOUSAND OF ITS OWN PEOPLE?? When it tortured dissidents in secret prisons, threw acid on women for not covering their hair, literally went into hospitals where protesters were being treated and shot them point blank in the head? You don't give one flying f about Iranian people. Please don't pretend otherwise.

As far as I can tell, so far, all America has done is kill (extremely justifiably) a bunch of monstrous butchers and weakened their grip on power. This may or may not lead to regime change, but I can tell you for damn certain the regime is not going to be able to carry on the same way after this. Absolute WORST case scenario, the regime persists but its nuclear ambitions are done for and it becomes more friendly to US interests.  
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Two things can be true at once. The Ayatollah was bad (was going to say the world is better off now, but I'm honestly not certain that is true bexause of the way this has been handled) AND this administration is a clown show being led around by the nose by Israel AND international law and human rights are being violated, and for what reason, the administration has not been able to clearly communicate.[/quote]

Okay so why do my kids need to die for this? We can’t go around doing things so other people can be happy at our expense. We need health care in America. We need to support our next generation. Not get into random wars because some people are happy.[/quote]

Exactly six American servicemembers have died in this conflict so far. Far less than the number of Americans killed by the Iranian regime and its proxies. Pipe down. [/quote]

For once Americans are finally thinking “those six kids could be my kids.”  That’s what it means to be part of a united nation.

Our kids can’t be cannon fodder for the sake of the Iranian people.  Sorry. [/quote]

Cannon fodder?

Ridiculous. More died in car accidents and from overdoses yesterday than in this conflict.

Odds of significant numbers of US casualties = 0.[/quote]

Do you want to call the parents and children of the dead to let them know when they're significant?[/quote]

I will, if you’ll call the families of the thousands previously killed by Iran and its proxies and explain why you are an apologist for the mullahs.[/quote]

Oh please. You’re going back 50+ years, you MAGA mouth breather. I’m sure you’re the same person swearing here 1.5 years ago that you were VoTINg fOR TRump BEcaUSe hE wON’t StARt a WaR! [/quote]

I despise Trump.But I’m not going to allow my loathing of him affect how I view issues.

And no, I’m not going back 50+ years (though one could). Exactly who do you think funded and trained Iraq’s Shia militias and designed and provided IEDs, resulting in the deaths of hundreds of Americans?

Hint: starts with an “I” ends with an “n”.

And why exactly do you think that the Gulf States, Germany, Australia, Canada, Britain, etc., etc. all want this Iranian regime gone?

Hint: it’s not bc they are Trump fans.

As a previous poster said, two things can be true at the same time: Trump’s an idiot and the end of the Iranian regime is good for the region and the world.

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You know what would be even better for the world? Getting rid of Trump as US president. Between the chaos of his tariffs, his dismantling of the post-war alliance, his threatening of neighbor countries, his willingness to take bribes from other countries, his shooting of US protestors and foreign boats, is more destabilizing to the world order than the Ayatollah ever was. [/quote]

PP here. I’m in favor of both. Let’s get rid of Trump and the Iranian regime.[/quote]

DP. How, exactly, do you propose to get rid or the Iranian regime? That is the burning question right now. Everyone would like to know the answer. Let's hear it--what's the plan?[/quote]

I misplaced my invite to CentCom, so am afraid I can’t give you a definitive answer.

But if I had to guess, I’d surmise that the calculation goes something like this:

1. Destabilize Iranian military and political leadership, creating as much instability as possible.

2. Empower and arm opposition, hoping that they depose leadership.

3. Destroy Iran’s force projection capability entirely.

Best case: 1&2 work and you get a new regime.

Worst case: regime survives, but is defanged and cowed.  Iran’s military capabilities destroyed and created a massive deterrent against future Iranian adventurism in the region.

Actual worst case (in my opinion): [b]failed state[/b] or suicidal regime willing to engage in global terrorism to exact revenge.[/quote]

DP. I think the bolded is both the the worst case scenario and one of the most likely scenarios. It become Libya or Syria. The failed state ends up hosting terrorist groups that present a continued (if different in kind) threat to other countries in the region and lots of Iranians suffer and die in the ensuing violence.[/quote]

PP.

Agreed. I think this action was a grave mistake, but certainly hope that it succeeds. I can understand those who disagree on the former, but not excuse those who disagree on the latter.[/quote]

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