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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]You people are absolutely f'ing deranged. I am Iranian. My parents are Iranian. My entire very large extended family is Iranian. Every. Single. One. of the Iranian people I know are absolutely THRILLED with this turn of events. They are literally taking to the streets and celebrating, including here in DC.

I am a lifelong progressive Democrat. Typically, progressives center the narratives of people directly affected and allow them to define their own oppression. But now that they see an opening to criticize Israel (75% of this thread is foaming-at-the mouth, over-the-top, ISIS-level anti-Israel conspiracy propaganda), suddenly what actual Iranians say and feel doesn't matter to them at all. I don't care that Israel was involved here. I simply do not care. If they're the ones that create a catalyst for change in my country that ends up freeing 93 million people from the hellscape they've been living in, great. You people are so BLINDED by your maniacal hatred of Israel and to a lesser extent Trump (who I'm no fan of generally) that you can't perceive the absolute absurd hypocrisy of your position.

It's fine to object to this on the basis that it's not America's affair and they should stay out of it, because tax dollars or whatever BS (so far, only six American service members have (tragically) died, so I really don't think it's concern for our troops). Immoral position to take in the face of this regime, but ok. That's not what most of this thread is doing, though. People are instead moralizing at actual Iranians and pretending to care about the girls school that was bombed (unconfirmed that this was even Israel/the US and not Iran itself) or the future of Iran. Where were you when this regime murder FORTY THOUSAND OF ITS OWN PEOPLE?? When it tortured dissidents in secret prisons, threw acid on women for not covering their hair, literally went into hospitals where protesters were being treated and shot them point blank in the head? You don't give one flying f about Iranian people. Please don't pretend otherwise.

As far as I can tell, so far, all America has done is kill (extremely justifiably) a bunch of monstrous butchers and weakened their grip on power. This may or may not lead to regime change, but I can tell you for damn certain the regime is not going to be able to carry on the same way after this. Absolute WORST case scenario, the regime persists but its nuclear ambitions are done for and it becomes more friendly to US interests.  
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If this is genuine then I do appreciate what you're saying.  I also remember Iraqi expats saying the same thing about Saddam immediately before and after the overthrow of his regime.  And then we put boots on the ground.  Be careful what you wish for when it comes to the US military.[/quote]

I understand the natural skepticism on the part of Americans given their history in Iraq/Afghanistan. I really do. But Iran is not Iraq. First and foremost, Trump does not have the appetite or frankly the political capital for a military occupation. That is not the goal here. Furthermore, Khamenei was killed on DAY ONE of this conflict, and there has been much faster destruction of Iran's air defenses and missile forces. And most significantly - the sporadic, small-scale celebrations of Saddam's overthrow (hundreds to at most thousands of people) are absolutely not comparable to the enormous, major, nationwide protests that just took place in Iran. An estimated FIVE MILLION people took to the streets. [b]Upwards of 80% of Iranians hate this regime and want it gone.[/b][/quote]

Then they need to rise up and make that happen. Or do you think that the US should do it FOR them by deploying soldiers to Iran and starting a land war, followed by an occupation? Because that's what it would take to effect a significant regime change. [/quote]

Trump has suggested that Iranians should take care of the problem themselves. Here are his exact words:

[quote]But then he described a scenario in which the Iranian people would overthrow the existing government. “That’s going to be up to them about whether or not they do,” Mr. Trump said. “They’ve been talking about it for years so now they’ll obviously have an opportunity.”[/quote][/quote]

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