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Again,  He didn't do away with those laws.  Read the bible quote where he states "I did not come to abolish the law".  He came to fulfill those laws that the Israelites had to follow to be "right" with God; Christ's coming made such laws not needed because He is the embodiment of such laws, ie, to be right with God.  meant.
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[b]Of course Jesus did away with those laws.[/b] Does your pastor/minister/priest tell you not to eat shellfish or wear mixed fibers? I really think you need to ask him about this directly, so that he (assuming it's not a she) can clear this up for you. You are simply wrong. This is one point on which there's zero difference among the denominations.

Were you the one who pointed out that Jesus never answered a question from the Pharisees directly (a Bible literalist was the one who said that in this thread). Well, that was correct. As we all know, the Temple priests and lawyers thought he WAS doing away with their laws, so they tested him. In Matthew 22:35-40, Jesus answers that, basically, all the law and prophets can be boiled down to two commandments, love God and love your neighbor. It was a clever answer, because they couldn't get him (yet), but he's clearly saying that his message of love beats out all the rules.

"Fulfill" doesn't mean here what you'd like it to mean.

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You also have no idea if He didn't mean homosexuality was sexually immoral either.  Again, the absence of Him stating something doesn't make it not true.  I am simply going by what He was recorded as saying in Matthew.  meant.
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Please, please, please.  Stop already with the line of argument that goes, "I know Jesus didn't mention homosexuality, but I think I know he disapproved." You know no such thing. You've been chided by multiple posters for making this assumption. In fact, don't you think it's a little insulting to Jesus to say that you know what he forgot to mention?

[quote=Anonymous] You have never addressed what did He mean by "sexual immorality" in that passage.  If your answer is "I don't know", then again, you are saying that because He didn't specifically state something, you assume it must not be true.  I use the analogy of my 8 yr old hitting the back of my seat in the car.  When he kicked the chair, I told him to stop kicking. Then he punched the chair, and I told him I had already asked him to stop.  His response:  well, you didn't say I couldn't punch the chair.   But, c'mon, he knew what I meant.  You are doing something similar: because Christ didn't explicitly state that homosexuality was a sin, it must not be.  But, He did state that sexual immorality is a sin.  You know what He meant.  If you don't, then you should read the Bible, commentaries, talk to theologians to find out what he really meant.   Based on my reading of the Bible, I know what He meant.
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OK, I've noticed this before. You write that I can't say "Jesus didn't say anything but I assume he doesn't object." But you've posted multiple times that "Jesus didn't say anything but I know what he meant." Please explain how that works, because it really looks like double-dealing on your part, doesn't it?

Anyway, I have addressed the "sexual immorality" issue, and I've addressed it several times here. I said that it could include a range of things, like pre-marital sex, pedophelia, bestiality, or even kissing someone you're not married to. Others have also said this. Someone also pointed out the relevant fact that bestiality and pedophiia involve non-consenting victims, whereas homosexuality does not. I and others have refuted your (startling) claim that Jesus always followed Jewish tradition, so there's no reason to assume he included homosexuality in this.

Please also stop with the analogy of your right-year-old. It doesn't work. The problem is, you KNOW FOR A FACT what your eight-year old was doing, because you felt it as you were driving. You DON'T KNOW what Jesus intended about homosexuality. And if it needs to be repeated: your guesses about Jesus are not equivalent to feeling your son kicking your car seat.

I think I'm done for the night. You don't seem to read what I and others write (the "sexual immorality" issue). And your ad hominems are tiring.  I need to get back to my own family.[/quote]

Again, you are missing the point of what Jesus said about "I did not come to abolish the law... I came to fulfill the laws".   You say that "of course Jesus abolished the laws", but that goes directly against that Biblical quote.  I don't understand how you not see that.  [b]What does it mean to you when He states "I did not come to abolish the laws but to fulfill the laws"[/b]?

The laws were about being right with God, so yes, we no longer have to follow those laws which were meant to have man reconcile with God.  How do *you* know those laws included homosexuality?

You think homosexuality is not included in what is considered "sexual immorally" because it doesn't hurt another person, but  pedophilia does and so that is why pedophilia would be considered sexually immorally. How does sex between an unmarried man and unmarried woman hurt another person, yet that is considered adultery, and Jesus called that out as something that defiles a person.

Not every sin is about hurting another person.  There are sins that we commit that have nothing to do with other people.  Worshipping an idol doesn't hurt another person, yet that is one of the gravest of sins under the 10 commandments.

You accuse me of assuming to know what Jesus meant, but you are doing the same by stating that he doesn't include homosexuality as sexually immoral though he never explicitly stated this.  You assume that because he is about love and compassion that he would accept homosexuality as not sinful.  You are making leaps here, too.

We make inferences from things stated in the Bible all the time, and we don't always take things literally because much of what happened and was stated were applicable to the times.  But, we take the lessons that can be learned from what happened then because most of those lessons involve knowing how to behave in a Christ like manner. But, somethings we do take literally, like "do not commit adultery", and paraphrasing here, "do not be sexually immoral".

And as stated, there are references to homosexuality in the NT as others have noted.  Just because it was not Jesus who stated them doesn't make it untrue.  Most of the NT is about what the Apostles stated, not what Jesus stated, and yet, Christians follow what the Apostles taught.  If you don't believe or follow what the Apostles stated, then I don't know why you would believe what they wrote about Jesus in the Gospels.  You either believe what the Apostles wrote in all the NT or not, otherwise, it's called cherry picking to fit your narrative.[/quote]

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