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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Affirmative Action just got saved for another 5-10 years today. [/quote]

I will vote Democratic in November, but I agree it is time for race-based affirmative action to fall. [b] I have no issue with SES-based affirmative action, which will benefit a lot minority kids anyway.[/b]  But preferences based on race alone are constitutionally problematic and need to go.  As President Obama has said, kids like his don't need affirmative action.[/quote]

Since the children of poor whites score the same as the children of affluent blacks on the SAT, moving away from race based affirmative action to SES based affirmative action will significantly reduce the number of minority students in colleges.[/quote]Could you provide a link or the source that poor whites score the same as affluent blacks?  I can only surmise your source opines that affluent blacks send their children to substandard schools resulting in poor test scores.[/quote]

Sure: http://www.jbhe.com/latest/index012209_p.html

Scroll down the page where it talks about family income differences. It's using 2008 college board numbers.

From the article: "But income differences explain only part of the racial gap in SAT scores. For black and white students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 in 2008, there still remains a huge 149-point gap in SAT scores. Even more startling is the fact that in 2008 black students from families with incomes of more than $200,000 scored lower on the SAT test than did students from white families with incomes between $20,000 and $40,000. "

Like I said before, if you go to SES based affirmative action it will significantly reduce the number of minorities in selective colleges?[/quote]I'd be interested in seeing current research as the study is 8 years old.  Additionally, there is not a clear explanation why such a wide disparity.[/quote]

has been written in brookings and nyt but the definitive answer is that if you got rid of race based AA and substituted puely class-based (SES) AA, you would get a massive drop in URM/NAM enrollment in elite schools.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/16/opinion/what-israel-tells-us-about-affirmative-action-and-race.html

The reason is that there are just way too many poor whites and asians that destroy URMs/NAMs in academics.

As for 'clear explanations' to the wide disparity - there are PC reasons and un PC reasons. I won't get into those[/quote]

Let's not get it twisted- we are talking about how AAs perform on standardized tests. You know, tests that have proven to not be a reliable predictive measure of future academic performance and career success. Perhaps we place too much emphasis on standardized testing in the college selection criteria process. My DH who is AA, went to a prestigious boarding school, graduated near the top of his classes and still performed less than average on SATs and later the LSATs. Thankfully, he still got accepted to excellent schools. Now he's knocking it out of the park.

Funny how when you look back in history, tests have historically been a way to exclude blacks. It always gives others the reason to say "look we did they can't. It's not racist." I'm surprised more people don't understand this. Or I guess they see it as excuses. Whatever. When Asians start making up 85% of the top schools then whites will be crying for tougher immigration rules and more "less emphasis on testing." It's already happening at the business school level.[/quote]

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