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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous] I've shown that there is nothing in the Qur'an that defends the murder of woman and children as so many people seem to believe. I am always invariably met with people that link some statement, from some obscure Imam halfway across the world, that promotes radical actions as if he is representative of Muslims as a whole. These people do not care that many muslim groups have already stepped up and denounced the events, and they don't care if you show them unequivocal proof that these actions are not supported by the Quran. They have one belief in their head and they refuse to let anyone change that (regardless of what the evidence actually shows). /[/quote] here is some of the Mohammed's rules from Hadith about killing woman. Muslim (17:4192) - This hadith clarifies the different penalties for adultery (when the subjects are married), and fornication (when they are not): "in case of married (persons) there is (a punishment) of one hundred lashes and then stoning (to death). And in case of unmarried persons, (the punishment) is one hundred lashes and exile for one year" (See also 17:4191) Muslim (17:4196) - A married man confesses that he has adultery. Muhammad orders him planted in the ground and pelted with stones. According to the passage, the first several stones caused such pain that he tried to escape and was dragged back. Muslim (17:4206) - A woman who became pregnant confesses to Muhammad that she is guilty of adultery. Muhammad allows her to have the child, then has her stoned. The description is graphic: "Khalid b Walid came forward with a stone which he flung at her head and there spurted blood on the face of Khalid and so he abused her." Muslim (17:4209) - A woman confesses adultery and is stoned to death on Muhammad's order. Ibn Ishaq (970) - "The adulterer must be stoned." These words were a part of Muhammad's farewell address to his people on the occasion of his final pilgrimage to Mecca. [/quote] Those are not hadith about "killing woman"...those are hadith regarding the punishment for adultery which had nothing to do with the person being male or female, which is why 3 out of your 5 examples do not even mention woman. You also left out a large portion of the Hadiths, and only include the parts about the punishment. You failed to mention, for example in 17:4206, that the woman came to mohammed and confessed herself that she had committed adultery. Mohammed still did[i]not[/i] order her stoned to death or punished at all, instead he turned away from her and gave her a chance to walk away (as he did in several other examples). It was not until she came back and insisted that she had committed adultery, that mohammed said "Well, if you insist upon it, then go away until you give birth to (the child)". After the child was born he said "Go away and suckle him until you wean him"...Mohammed was not as quick to rush judgement as you make it appear. The man in 17:4196 went to mohammed FOUR times confessing adultery before mohammed decided to punish him, because everytime he confessed mohammed ignored him and gave him the chance to go away. I could go and back-check all the hadith you listed but I think we see what is going on here. Mohammed gave ample opportunities for the people in these examples to not be punished and did not pass judgment on them until after they [i]repeatedly[/i] self confessed. And besides, none of these Hadith are advocating for the murder of [i]innocent[/i] woman and children. Adultery was a grevious crime in those days, and even christians were executed for it. Leviticus 20:10 prescribes capital punishment for adultery between a man and married woman: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death. Here is a link to the Hadith you quoted if you have any interest in reading the full versions, not taken out of context: https://muflihun.com/muslim/17/4206[/quote]
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