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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Leave her alone. She is just a normal kid going through her senior year  and the application process with her friends.  I think the press should leave Presidents' kids alone unless and until they become adults and voluntarily enter politics.[/quote]

If she were a normal kid she wouldn't be visiting Ivy League schools.[/quote]That's crap.  'Normal' is my kid's middle name and has visited 3 Ivy schools and will apply.  And my normal kid has great grades AND we're middle class.  So there![/quote]

I don't think kids who are "normal" have the grades and SAT scores to get into Ivy League schools.  They're probably in the top .5% of HS kids; that hardly qualifies as normal.  If your kid has a good shot for an Ivy League school then academically they're exceptional, that's what I was getting at.[/quote]

They are competitive schools and you have to be a strong student to be admitted, but "exceptional" to even consider is a bit of a stretch.  The 25th percentile combined SAT score for Cornell is 1970, which is 92nd percentile for all college bound seniors.  In other words, there are kids getting into Ivy League schools who are in the top 8% - not top .5% - and some even bellow this.  The odds are still long to get in, but a broad set of "good" students apply and are accepted.[/quote]

I'd guess the vast majority of kids at the 25th percentile are minorities or recruited athletes or have some other hook.  A normal white/Asian kid with no hooks and a 1970 isn't going to sniff an Ivy League school.  [/quote]Then please explain why Asians and whites are the dual majority at every college other than historically black colleges.  The Fiske guide lists hundreds of well-known schools and only 2 or 3 have 10% minority and one of those is Columbia University.  All the others have 2-4% African American representation.

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Columbia is 12% AA, 13% Hispanic, 3% Native American and 7% other.  Combine that with recruited athletes and I'd guess that the majority of them would be in the bottom 25% stats wise.  There are probably 500 AA (if that) that score above the median for most Ivy League schools.

http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html

"If we raise the top-scoring threshold to students scoring 750 or above on both the math and verbal SAT — a level equal to the mean score of students entering the nation's most selective colleges such as Harvard, Princeton, and CalTech — we find that in the entire country 244 blacks scored 750 or above on the math SAT and 363 black students scored 750 or above on the verbal portion of the test"
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Yes, just like my AA daughter who scored 2380.  Go away.  Your numbers are flat wrong.[/quote]

+1. PP is speculating. So let me add my own anecdotal evidence: the two recruited athletes I know to Columbia are both white, and they come from a magnet and a Top 3 so their SATs are undoubtedly high. [/quote]

The average scores at a Blair/TJ magnets are between the 25th and 50th percentiles for Columbia, and I seriously doubt any of the privates in this area can touch those scores.  In other words, average students at the best schools around would be "below average" students at Columbia based on scores.  So, those recruited athletes from a magnet and "Big 3" may very well be in the bottom 25%.   [/quote]

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