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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]All true. I am not claiming that the near-annilihation of native Indians would not be a crime, far from it. I am only claiming that it is different from the "final solution" and the holocaust.[/quote]
How so?  How is it different?[/quote]

One is carefully planned and diligently executed mass-murder. The other is not. [/quote]

How do you know that?[/quote]

There was no a Wannsee conference where the mass execution of all native Americans was decided, together with a plan on how to achieve this. There were no killing camps where all native Americans were shipped and then gassed. The near-annilihation of native Americans played out over centuries, the holocaust witin 3 years.

Calling a crime a crime is one thing. Considering all crimes the same and of the same moral dimension is another. 
[/quote]holocaust was not just jews, you do know that
There were killing camps for native Americans, they were not shipped because they were made to walk

just a question of how popular the victims happen to be[/quote]

So maybe you can point me to the equivalent of Auschwitz (or Treblinka, or Sobibor) on US soil.[/quote]

The Trail of Tears

Measuring it by method (industrialized camps in the 20th centruy as opposed to less industrial methods in the 19th century), rather than intent and effect is focusing on the least important aspect of the crimes.  In Poland, 90%+ of the Jewish population was killed. In the US, 90%+ of the Native American population was killed. I don't see a difference regardless of the methods used.

Germans had the ability to use primitive, analog computers (Hollerith machines, which run punchcard databases); the US didn't have those.  On the other hand, the US had lots of open space to shove NA people and let them starve.

This is an insane argument, anyway. We are arguing about whether the US's genocide against NA was morally better than German genocide against Jews. Um... no. Genocide is genocide. Once you hit that line, there is no quibbling about better or worse. Nobody wins the Oppression Olympics. [/quote]

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