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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Unless Yale plans to dramatically increase in size, the only way to end the “murky admissions practices” is to be open about conducting a lottery for everyone over a certain benchmark. There is no fair way to pick a mere 2% from a pool of highly-qualified 17 year olds. [/quote]

Or the colleges could start demanding more tail end differentiation between students on the SAT.

There are a thousand perfect SAT scores every year. That number used to be in the dozens.

Tsinghua and Beijing do not have trouble selecting the top 0.05% students among 13 million kids based on the Gaokao, which has never seen a perfect score in its history.[/quote]
The disdain people would have for academia if we changed our system to mirror China’s would be immense.

Pretty much every poor student that doesn’t go to a prep school would be left behind and couldn’t attend an elite college. This would be a step backwards.[/quote]

How do you think the SES profile at Tsinghua or Peking compares to Stanford or Harvard?

And is HYPSM the only ladder for social mobility?
Sometimes social mobility from the bottom to the top takes more than a single generation
Go describe our college admissions process in any other country, they will think you must be mistaken.[/quote]

I am pretty sure that it doesn't look as you are implying. But, there might be less representation by China's 1% because they are all trying to get their money and kids out of the country and choosing to educate their kids abroad. What does that really say about their system?[/quote]

There is less representation of the 1% in asian countries because you can't buy your way into those schools, they don't have legacy preferences and expensive extracurriculars don't matter.
The ones that come here are not "choosing" to come here.  They are coming here because they can't get in anywhere good in their home country and they can afford to come here, they are here because our system is corrupt.[/quote]

It is well known that the party elite get slots. I’m sure that it would be the same for the Ambani’s in India. [/quote]

Do you have any evidence of this well known fact that party officials are getting slots at Tsinghua and Peking?
Fraud in college admissions is punishable by 7 years in prison in China.

Korea impeached and removed a president in part based on her exerting influence to get admissions for a friend's child at her alma mater.

These cultures take this stuff pretty seriously.
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It's easy start with by typing "admissions advantages for the children of party elites into China's top universities" into google

There have also been publicized admissions scandals, again easy to find.

System looks a lot like ours under the covers [/quote]

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