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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more.  Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

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All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.[/quote]

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.
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That's why although USNWR removed factors like acceptance rate, parents and students pay good attention to it, and consider the competitive schools good schools in general.

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All of the top 30 have either low or extremely low acceptance rates.  [/quote]

No, schools like UF, UVA, UCSD, UT have significantly higher acceptance rate than schools like Tufts, BU, Wake Forest, Northeastern, BC as students chose that way.

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Acceptance rate can be manipulated (by inducing more applicants, most of the unqualified), so they correctly dropped it.  It isn't the best indicator of true selectivity and quality of the enrolled student body.[/quote]

Hence I said 1000 times the combination of acceptance rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.[/quote]

But continue to include the thing that can be manipulated? And don’t factor in what industry experts think about the quality of education taking place?

The problem with what you propose it can reward those schools where good students flock mostly because of non academic factors like location or dorms.

USNWR isn’t perfect but it’s the best option available and it’s not close. [/quote]

DP.  It is fair to point out that US News does not match the behavior of the top students.  Princeton is almost always #1 in US News but most people would rather go to Harvard, Stanford, or MIT.  Hopkins is tied with Caltech in US News...but not in the real world.  Etc.

Mismatches between US News and behavior happen because people disagree with the US News methodology.[/quote]

I wouldn’t expect perfect adherence even if it were a perfect ranking (it is not) because there’s no shortage of poor decision-making made even with good info and, separately, lots of the other reasonable factors they themselves say should go into consideration but can’t be ranked. [/quote]

Every year, we have the perfect ranking which is the collectives decisions by all the students who actually pay $$$
That is the ground truth ranking.[/quote]

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