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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]More educated parents and students aren't blindly following US News rankings any more.  Since their last release was so heavily mocked and with availability of information about a school's outcomes and strength of majors and strength of students academic achievements, US News is a much more minor role player now than in the past.

Parents look at the cost of the school, the name brand of the school, the SAT averages of the school, the acceptance rate of the school and the outcomes of the school a lot more than some outdated magazine.

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All of which are contained in....the USNews rankings! 🙂

It's a likely "first stop" for parents with other research options later. It is what it is.[/quote]

No, it's missing many important factors and Contain some insignificant factors such as how many Pell grant students.
However it's still a nice reference for an initial screening.

At the end every year, we get the actual result of the collective decisions by the students.
The result is reflected in the combination of admission rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.
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That's why although USNWR removed factors like acceptance rate, parents and students pay good attention to it, and consider the competitive schools good schools in general.

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All of the top 30 have either low or extremely low acceptance rates.  [/quote]

No, schools like UF, UVA, UCSD, UT have significantly higher acceptance rate than schools like Tufts, BU, Wake Forest, Northeastern, BC as students chose that way.

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Acceptance rate can be manipulated (by inducing more applicants, most of the unqualified), so they correctly dropped it.  It isn't the best indicator of true selectivity and quality of the enrolled student body.[/quote]

Hence I said 1000 times the combination of acceptance rate, yield rate, cohort quality, retention rate, and graduation rate.[/quote]

But continue to include the thing that can be manipulated? And don’t factor in what industry experts think about the quality of education taking place?

The problem with what you propose it can reward those schools where good students flock mostly because of non academic factors like location or dorms.

USNWR isn’t perfect but it’s the best option available and it’s not close. [/quote]

USNWR significantly hurt their credibility when they started implicitly adjusting their rankings first to get a couple of Publics into the top 25 and then by adding social justice factors like economic mobility and Pell grant factors again designed to bump publics. That said the others are even worse.

But in the end it isn't that hard to line out ones that are obviously ridiculous and discount large moves that anyone thinking can see were caused by these adjustments rather than reality. Tufts and Middlebury didn't each drop about 15 spots in 5 years, no public is really a T20, etc. And most of all, you can't be that granular in the first place.[/quote]

Except the top publics were already in the top 25 before these changes and some of them barely budged with the changes. But why deal in facts?[/quote]

Because facts are friendly. I should have said top 20. [b]No public ever cracked the top 20 prior to the changes. UCLA and UVA were the only others to ever enter the top 25.[/b] Happy to fix my small error because the argument is intact. The changes made do not reflect reality but rather were made to make a group of large universities in particular look better than they are. You sell more magazines to people interested in Michigan than Swarthmore.[/quote]

Still wrong. Michigan and UVA were consistently in the top 25 in the 2000s, and UNC even had a few years there. UVA stayed there for most of the 2010s and Michigan returned there in 2019. UVA was inside the top 20 in the late 90s and UCLA was 19 in 2019.

See, the thing is, when you have a perspective of more than a couple of years, you realize these universities are ranked pretty close to where they’ve always been.[/quote]

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