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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]Trump is going to win the working-class voters because Democrats fail to understand that [b]social policies and woke ideology[/b] makes them lose[/quote]

Trump winning or losing I think will all depend on who Harris picks for her VP.

That being said, current social policies and woke ideology is what has driven many to the right. It needs to be reined in a bit. Just take a look at all the attacks on JK Rowling. That is wrong IMHO and I have LGBTQ friends. I stand with JK Rowling, she has the right to her opinion and beliefs. That does not make her anti-LGBTQ.

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She shouldn’t be getting death threats, but her anti-LGTBQ beliefs are what make her anti-LGBTQ. [/quote]

Nope. We'll have to agree to disagree. Because saying you don't believe minors should get gender re-assignment surgery is not anti-LGBTQ. It's not anti-LGBTQ to personally not believe the different genders either - [b]it's called freedom of religion [/b]and is a protected class to be equally protected. I respect LGBTQ and their beliefs but vice versa should also stand true. [/quote]

You are speaking for JK Rowling?

WTF does religion have to do with being a bigot? Oh wait…

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And therein lies the problem and the breakdown because folks like you go straight for name-calling. You can't accept the fact that someone can support LGBTQ rights but also have a difference of opinion on certain specific issues. Moderates are tired of the intolerance of their differences of opinion. Why can't you accept that we have differences of opinion on certain issues...must we all agree to only your opinions? Fine, take religion out of it....differences of opinion should be respected. Agree to disagree. Compromise.

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+1.

We are the silent majority. The woke are very vocal about their beliefs online, which misleads them to assume they are the majority when they are not. [/quote]

+100000000000

And honestly, I blame them for the mess our country is in now just as much as I blame the far-right extremist Christians who want to ban abortion.  If common sense had prevailed and their intolerance (oh, the irony) were not an issue, we would not have Trump as the only Republican nominee this year. They are no better and just as divisive as the far-right extremist Christians. [/quote]

The difference is, of course, the "woke" left are a fringe. The religious fundamentalists are core to the current MAGA/GOP and leadership.

Kinda important.[/quote]

Kinda important to understand that many who were on the fence went pro-Trump because of the intolerant cancel culture of the "woke" left. And the more I hear that kind of talk, the more I'm willing to right the pendulum that went far off balance to the left. And being taxed more for just making $200K is not OK in my book either. I also don't believe in socialist universal health care as many EU countries have because I know firsthand how imperfect it is. And my stance on illegal immigration...well you know...the more I think about it and seeing the continued intolerance from the "woke" left...don't be too surprise if Trump wins and you will only have yourselves to blame.[/quote]

I don’t understand how people immediately pivot to “we can’t have socialist healthcare!!” when our healthcare system is demonstrably failing really badly on so many different metrics.

Shortages of medical professionals, sky high costs in every respect, high infant and maternal mortality rates, medical debt driving people into bankruptcy, hedge funds taking over hospitals and closing them or making doctors lives miserable, on and on and on.

But socialism is the problem?  Sorry pp we desperately need intervention and it’s going to take some policies inspired by “socialism” because medical capitalism is JUST.  not.  Working.  Sorry, its not.[/quote]

Do you have family/friends overseas? Have you had to go to a hospital overseas? If not, then you are not qualified to speak. [/quote]

I am a DP but I have needed emergency care in a country with socialized medicine and many of my relatives live in places with universal socialized medicine.

The total bill I paid for emergency room care including imaging and treatment was $250.

None of my relatives have ever sought medical care back in the us. One has traveled to Eastern Europe for elective dental procedures.

It’s not the U.S. and a hellscape. And with the internet and young people able to watch TikTok from European peers about their healthcare, no one falls for that trope.[/quote]

Pros and Cons. Not all countries are alike either. When my FIL was alive and he had to have specialized care he always paid for the private health care clinics not covered by "free" health care because (a) care was immediate and (b) care was by better doctors who go to work for the private clinics to make more money. [/quote]

Ok, but… the US is no longer competitive.  Our life expectancy is actually decreasing while other countries are rising.  We have to recognize the L and deal with it.[/quote]

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