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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The arrested driver is a 22 year old who was at the hospital and “walked away from her family.” Sounds like she may have been the patient, maybe in crisis (mental, drugs?). The “elderly” woman was only 55 years old! 
https://www.popville.com/2024/06/female-arrested-in-a-northwest-carjacking/#more-299868[/quote]
I love the constant speculation that only and always tried to find a way to absolve this person of responsibility. Why not just wait for and rely on the facts? [/quote]

Why are you so invested in a narrative that says this woman is an unrepentant monster?  What do you gain from closing your mind off to the (pretty reasonable) possibility that she was not in her right mind?[/quote].

NP. I don't care. She killed someone, and Kayla Kenisha Brown needs to be taken out of society forever, be it in a classic prison or -- if "not in her right mind" -- then she needs to be locked up forever in one of the few remaining high security psychiatric facilities.  ala John Hinckley.

Can't wait to see the toxicology report [/quote]

Disagree, condolences to the family. But clearly the young 22 year old woman needs substance help, recovery and we need to know what the drug is. It's also possible she has mental health issues. No one should be caged for life, I prefer the European model. [/quote]

This.  She needs help, not a cage.[/quote]

She needs a lifelong cage and complete removal from society. I cannot imagine someone dismissing the death of my loved one at the hands of a malicious criminal just because they were a drug addict. Imagine your family member is killed by a callous criminal, and that criminal is then not punished to the maximum extend of the law. 
Mental health issues and substance abuse do not absolve you from a life of crime. There are millions of people who are subject to poverty, terrible childhoods, war, and violence who do not grow up to be criminals. I do not feel sorry for the killer in the slightest. I want her gone from society so she cannot take another life. [/quote]

+1 well said.  She's  had enough chances.  When these people murder us, we don't get a second chance at life.  She failed herself.    If more people like her were locked up for life our quality of life would be much better and the world a safer place.[/quote]

I don't forgive her, but I do think we, as a society, need to do better.  Her parents called the police because she was a danger to herself and others.  They did the right thing.  What happened after that was nothing short of a failure of our systems.  Age 22 is prime age for a major mental illness like schizophrenia or delusional manic episodes common to bipolar to manifest.  There are a lot of people with mental illnesses around.  What should their families do if they know they've gone off the deep end?  She should not have been released from protective custody until she was no longer out of her mind and likely to hurt herself or others.  Do I release her from responsibility?  No.  But also, we've got to get our act together as a society to deal with mental illness better.  Throwing people out of mental institutions and then dismantling the legal system that puts them there has not worked out.  We need to increase the number of beds and make it automatic that people who need them get them as soon as we need them or else we will have more people dying at the hands of people who are not in their right minds.  That's just reality.[/quote]

She was transported for a high heart rate and high blood pressure due to the drugs she took, she was NOT transported on a psych hold. [/quote]

Did her parents not also say that she had been acting erratically for three days to the paramedics? That should have triggered extra security and a potential psych hold. Are we saying the two things can't happen at the same time? Sounds like a communication breakdown which isn't shocking in a city that gives short shift to mental health. How many people have been attacked/murdered in DC in the past five years by people who should be under a psych hold? Answer - a lot.[/quote]

Acting erratically is insufficient for an FD-12. There is not anything reported in the news to indicate she legally qualified for an involuntary psych hold nor restraint during transport. Obviously she did after she took the car, but what evidence existed prior to that? Again, acting erratically does not remotely qualify for psych hold unless evidence was provided AT THE TIME OF TRANSPORT that she was a danger to herself or others.
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I think the point is it should qualify for a psych hold. [/quote]

That's a pretty vague parameter that could easily lead to abuse and detrimental impact in other scenarios. For all we know, she was completely compliant during EMS' assessment and transport then bolted. To have a person involuntarily restrained because their family reports only vaguely that they are "acting erratically" would be a legally fraught protocol.[/quote]

Acting erratically should be enough for a 24 hour psych hold, as this case demonstrates. [/quote]

Can you even imagine the abuse if that were the standard?!  I mean if I didn’t like someone I could call EMTs and claim that the person was acting erratically and wham! 24 hour hold. Want to prevent someone from interviewing for a job you want?  Call EMTs and claim they were acting erratically. What to prevent your ex from getting remarried?  Call EMTs and claim they were acting erratically. [/quote]

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