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But thanks for helping me prove my original point (despite the distractors) is still valid.  The claim that this very ethnically diverse area was EVER "predominantly (red) Russian" would be a false claim.  You might try to argue that Russia "conquered" the region by Stalin from a nationality standpoint, but it was never ethnically Russian.  Since this part of history is never taught to Russians (yet people affected may remember and pass down to generations), Russian propagandists often trip themselves up by making statements they believe are true, but the locals / natives know are not.[/quote]

Stalin's deportations are common knowledge.  I was in high school in the late eighties and it was part of the history curriculum.

You are a propagandist, rewriting reality and claiming things that are obviously, provably wrong.

Still laughing over your stupid claim that "everyone thinks Simonyan is Russian".  Like who? Your moron Russian studies professor?[/quote]

Hmm.  Since you're Russian, you probably need to directly discuss the matter directly with Simonyan.  I'm sure you two would hit it off.

But if not, maybe you could watch this in the meantime?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYqWFLqeBg

Simonyan: "The fact that I work and the way I feel, I serve Russia when my Motherland, my nation sees fit.  Many thanks, I bow my head.  I'm still trying to earn my first medal, much less my fourth.  If they see fit to give me an award, then I see it's fit to say, "I serve Russia".  I say it with pride."

Commentator: "During the press conference the following day, I heard of a new goal orientatiom which [Putin] spoke about the intrical unity of Russian people which w ehave to achieve without fail.  It was voiced for the first time, that all of our activities pertaining to Ukraine are mainly or largely determined through this goal.  Do you see this as an advancement in our common and governmental world view, or am I exaggerating?"
Simonyan: "To me, this is not an advancement, but a more sincere and more public acknowledgement that this was always the goal.  I'm sure you have no doubt that even 20 years ago Putin wanted to gather the Russian world to defend Russians and to have this opportunity.  [..] Russians must be unified, or at least under protection."

Simonyan: "I think this is exactly what [Putin] meant.  If we are able to defend the interests not only of Russia withim it's geographical boundaries, not only the interests of a map, but the interests of our people, the way many other nations do it; for example, the way the Jews do it, then we should use those abilities and we should expand those abilities.  What do we consider the interests of Russian people?  I believe this is a UN rule on nationality and ethnicity.  It is not determined by blood. Have you ever tried a DNA test?"
Commentator: "I did.  I was interested to see what kind of blood is in me.  
Simonyan: "It's very funny, really funny what's in there. A real windbreak."
Commentator: "I often get into arguments over my wording that I will continue to use: "multinational Russian people."  This is the wording that I use.  I'm being attacked from both sides about this, but I believe that this is the essence of our people."
Simonyan: "There is an internationally accepted expression, it might be a UN expression, I would have to check.  You're very close to it.  Ethnicity* is defined by two factors: the first one is self-determination, as to whom you consider yourself and the second characteristic is the language.  What is your native language.  Whoever you think you are and what is your language, that is your nationality, even if you are a [black-skinned person - I can't write what she really said here since it's offensive]."

* = initially she said "ethnicity" then later changed to "nationality", so unclear which she actually meant?  The funny part is look at the reactions and expressions of the other guests at the end of the clip.

Again, proves the point. [/quote]

It doesn't prove anything but your stupidity and inability to read the reality.

Simonyan=ethnic Armenian.  End of story.

But then again, like your ignorant ilk, you seem unable to distinguish between citizenship and ethnicity.

Please go ahead and tell Palestinian Israelis they are Jewish, I'd love to see that. [/quote]

Um.  Again I think you proved my point?  The analogy you used ("please go ahead and tell Palestinian Israelis they are Jewish")?  Replace the word "Palestinian Israeli" with Ukrainian, and "Jewish" with the Word "Russian" and you get..

Please go ahead and tell Ukrainians they are Russian, I'd love to see that. [/quote]

No one said Ukrainians are Russians, stop fighting imaginary fights. Again, for the slow ones:

Simonyan=ethnic Armenian.

Number of people who think Simonyan is an ethnic Russian = zero. Excepts DCUM dummy.[/quote]

DP....  i'd consider her to be a Russified Armenian, one who'd probably be too cowardly to say anything if Putin went after Armenians and would continue to cheer Russia on if Armenians were genocided.  Similar to how Ramzan Kadyrov is still a Z fanboy despite all of the horrible things Russia did to the Chechen people.[/quote]

Russia did horrible things to Chechens?! LOL. How about Chechens becoming full of themselves after the USSR fell apart and doing horrible things to ethnic Russians who lived there. Also wanting independence that was absolutely impossible. I can’t think of a single country who would grant them independence in place of Russia. [/quote]

"LOL" says someone about repeated Russian genocides against Chechens.

During the Russian conquest of the Caucasus in the 1800s, hundreds of thousands were killed or displaced.  There were as many as 1.5 million Chechens in the Caucasus in 1847, but as a result of war and expulsions, their number dropped to 140,000 in 1861, and then further to 116,000 by 1867.

And again in 1944, Russia committed genocide against Chechens, accusing them of being "Nazis" even though the Nazis were unsuccessful in recruiting Chechens.  NKVD and thousands of Russian troops arrived and forced nearly 400,000 Chechens onto rail cars.  700 Chechens who resisted were locked in a barn and burned to death.  Those who moved to slowly were shot.  A quarter of them died as they were displaced, from freezing to death in uninsulated rail cars in extreme cold to starvation.

But "LOL genocide ha ha" says the PP.  Astounding.
"They weren't treated horribly."  Astounding.
No clue why some Chechens might harbor some resentment, distrust and animosity toward Russians.  Astounding.[/quote]

Chechens have never been independent, and outside of subsistence societies, have never been self-sufficient, either.

The brief time in history when they were kinda sorta independent produced thousands of salafi fighters, beheaded aid workers by the side of the road, and rank lawlessness of the kind that even the locals rebelled against.  And let's not forget the world's most famous Chechen, Mr. Dzhohar Tsarnaev.[/quote]

You and your posts are undeniably, unquestionably, disgustingly, horrifyingly racist. At least Trump hedged it with “and some I assume are very fine people” [/quote]

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