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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Is it considered a hardship that most Asian kids don't get to see many teachers, class fellows, sports coaches, police, people in power on national news etc who look like them?[/quote]
?  Asians see plenty of people who look like them in class. Most Asians live in big cities with a decent size Asian population. The rest, I agree, but you know the progressives won't care about that because Asian Americans as a whole are doing well,  hence the "model minority".  Yes, I know... there are many Asian Americans that aren't doing well, but the white progressive liberal establishment likes to ignore that fact.[/quote]

that might be true, but we also know what the white right-wing, Trumpists think of us and that's markedly worse.[/quote]

I think Asian-Americans are great! My college roommate in California was Japanese-American, my best buddy here in NoVA is Chinese-American. My buddy here, by the way, thinks Asians are getting screwed by the elite schools, which I agree with, and he's concerned about the impact on his kids when they apply to college.

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A white right-wing, Trumpist[/quote] how can an overrepresented group be discriminated against. Kinda like black men saying not enough black men in the NBA  [/quote]

It is underrepresented compared to the number who should be there based on academic merit (and yes, extracurriculars too). If you don't get this, you're too dumb to be in this conversation.

To use your NBA analogy, right now the NBA is 73% black and 17% white. But let's say the NBA started recruiting more whites, Hispanics, and Asians - to increase diversity! - until the NBA was 50% black. With a 50% black NBA, blacks are still overrepresented relative to their proportion of the population. So by your logic they should be happy. But it should be obvious that the blacks, in that case, were discriminated against and underrepresented relative to their actual merit.[/quote]

Again with the stupid NBA analogy!  Not applicable.  Apples and oranges at best.

Players are only 38% of the NBA's employees, and I guarantee you that there is a representative balance across the league, as well as with the individual clubs, venues and others.

Stupid, stupid analogy!  Stop it![/quote]

I don’t love the NBA analogy that’s frequently used, but your critique of it is even more ridiculous. Trying to loop in NBA team office and stadium workers with NBA players themselves and arguing that’s a “diverse environment” would seem to support the opposite of your position. That is, colleges should just be relying on the diversity of their non-student employees (which may very well have a larger share of underrepresented minorities) to create a diverse environment as opposed to applying discriminatory tactics (disproportionately impacting Asian applicants) to shape the student classes themselves. [/quote]

the NBA analogy (and other pro sports teams analogies) is weird because if you think the 15 players on any NBA roster are the best 15 players they can get, you're probably wrong. Yes, they're NBA-caliber players of which there are many more than roster spots (sound familiar?). But, they are on the team for various reasons - some are definitively at the top of the heap and those 8-10 play regularly. Some may be rookies who aren't ready to play but the team has hopes on for the future. Some may be players on terrible contracts that they can't move. Some may be good locker room presence. Some are cheap filler because they need to fill the spot but don't have the cash. It's not always just about finding the best 15 players because you're creating a team and you have a lot of other considerations than who can beat who in 1x1.

In a way, it bears more similarities to creating a college class - you have a pool of students who can do the academic work at a school that is, conservatively, 2 to 3x the size of your class. You don't (because it's impossible) simply rank all 75,000 applications in order and take the top 2000.  At some point, you have your pool of students who are university caliber and then you get to work. (and if you think this isn't fair, then the first thing you should eliminate is athletic recruiting).[/quote]

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