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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I wouldn't lump in teachers and nurses. Having the summer off and all those days/weeks off during the school year, and a daily schedule that matches your kids' schoolday is incredible.

Yes yes many will say they are working nonstop during all this time but the teachers I know IRL don't feel that way, especially once you have been doing it a few yrs. And many make supplemental income in the summer if needed with tutoring, ed camps etc.[/quote]

I’ll remember that next weekend when I spend all Sunday grading IB papers. I’ll also remember that when I sit in my car during my own kids’ meets so I can get my lesson plans in on time.

I’ve been teaching many years. 55-60 hour weeks are the norm for many high school teachers. It’s getting worse, too. If this job were so wonderful, like your post suggests it is, why exactly are we facing a growing teacher shortage?[/quote]

This is the sort of reasoning that gets me about teachers.
1) Don't you think many of us spend all Sunday working not unoccassionally? Inc & esp nonprofit workers?
2) Don't you think that many of us have to sit in our car during meets to grade?
3) don' you think many of us work 55+ a week?
I find it amazing that teachers think they are entitled to not work b/c their kids have a game.[/quote]

Do some professionals work over 40? Of course. Do most? No, I’m not buying it. Look no further than DCUM for threads about working only 15-20 hours a week at full-time jobs.

And where did I say that I am entitled to not work because my kid has a game? Guess what? I work at EVERY game and EVERY practice. I’d like the ability to watch one of these days without having a stack of papers on my lap. Is that acting entitled?

Seriously, the disrespect throughout this thread is a perfect illustration of why teachers are quitting. [/quote]

I don't think you understand what it's like in the big money professions, eg big law, consulting, or ibanking. [/quote]

Um… there it is: “big money professions.” Sure, it may be the norm in some “big money professions,” which you just compared to teaching.[/quote]

See, you don't get it. Grading some papers at a game pales in comparison to the hours and stress of big law or top 3 consulting. Guess what, the pay isn't going to be comparable, particularly when teachers aren't generating $1k/billable hour. [/quote]

My 65-70 hour weeks probably don’t pale in comparison too much. Perhaps I don’t generate $1k/billable hours. I merely generate the next generation of workers. That’s not important at all, I guess. [/quote]

BS that you're working 70 hour weeks, 52 weeks a year. It's also becoming very clear that you believe your pay should be completely untethered from the underlying economics.

Please tell me who could afford to live in a city that pays its public school teachers like big law associates. [/quote]

You can call BS all you want. My stack of 140 essays isn’t grading itself. Neither will the stack of 140 essays that will be turned in 2 weeks from now. Each takes 10-15 minutes to review. I’m sure you can do the math. I also don’t get to pause my job to grade. Students have a habit of showing up and demanding my attention for 7 hours every work day.

So [b]your only reason for keeping my pay low is that there are too many teachers to pay accordingly?[/b] Well, the crisis in staffing right now will take care of that. Seeing as how this is a profession critical to society, counties will absolutely begin paying more once the crisis hits extreme levels. It’s just a matter of time considering the exodus. [/quote]

Where do you think your pay comes from? Property taxes. So, yes, there are actual limits to how much you can be paid. [/quote]

Nonsense. We throw a ton of money toward education, yet not enough of it is earmarked for teacher salaries. Let’s look critically at bloated central offices and unnecessary pet projects that don’t actually improve the students’ experience or performance.

I’m also in full support of raising taxes if that’s what it takes. Having an educated populace benefits all of us. [/quote]

Teachers, like it or not, are a commodity. The real money as PP points out is in administration, central offices and merit-free seniority.[/quote]

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