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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The Russians are f!cking depraved animals. The soldiers should be shown no mercy. I'm part Jewish and I'd rather support Azov than an army full of demonic rapists and murderers. [/quote]

If Azov are Banderites (I would think not all of them, but some may be) and you are Jewish, I doubt you would be supporting them. The photos of their atrocities (systemic genocide of 100s of thousands of Poles and Jews during WW2) are actually out there and available, this is well documented and proven.  [/quote]

Azov is Banderites like the US military is Nazi - does Azov have some far right people - Nazi, Bandera or otherwise?  Yes. Every country does - US, Russia, Germany, France, Poland, etc.  Definitely not the majority or even a significant part of today’s Azov.  The guy who founded Azov left to start a political party, which was completely unsuccessful.

Yes, you are right that systematic killing of Jews and Poles did occur in WW2 - but that is not the responsibility of today’s Azov battalion.

[b]You are repeating Russian propaganda, which tries to paint the current Ukrainian state with the brush of WW2[/b].  If you want to do that, we should also discuss how Putin is basically the successor to the government that committed the Holodomor in Ukraine, and which is again cutting of vast numbers of civilians (in Mariupol for example) and depriving them of food and water and humanitarian passage out of the city to other areas of Ukraine. [/quote]

I was responding to a post that was relevant to the Jewish perspective, which does brush up on WW2 history, so, no need to scream Russian Propaganda.  I am not suggesting Putin has a foot to stand on pretending to liberate the world from Nazis, THAT would be Russian propaganda.  I am pointing out that Azov does have nazi element, this is a different situation with closeted nazis in our army who aren't endorsed officially by our government, the fact that it is controversial isn't my invention.  It's been covered here before. Your response is a typical whataboutism.  If PP didn't mention Jewish perspective specifically I would not have brought it up.   [/quote]

Can you show where the Ukrainian gov't is endorsing the nazi element in the Azov battalion?[/quote]

Azov Battalion is a nationalist organization which is a part of Ukrainian army and is fighting on its behalf.  [b]Some [/b] in this and other nationalists factions are fans of Bandera and consider him a national hero.   It's not something you can just sweep under a rug,  it's an uncomfortable topic for the international community at large, especially for those of Jewish heritage. [b]This doesn't take away from this topic we are discussing here[/b], the atrocities of this unfair and horrible invasion and it doesn't imply that the entire Azov consists entirely of Banderites, so I am not sure why you are so defensive in acknowledging it.  [/quote]

I believe the hysteria over Azovs being "Nazis" is overstated, outdated and defunct.
The Azov Battalion only represents less than 1% of Ukraine's military.  Many of the original notorious neo-Nazi leaders and figures left the organization after 2014.   And since 2017 there have been efforts by the Ukrainian government to remove Nazi ideology - even then, only around 15% of the Azov Battalion harbored any prior neo-Nazi affiliation.  Now, in 2022 there are even Jews serving in the Azov Battalion.  Meanwhile also consider that the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, is himself a Jew, grandson of a Jew who fought the Nazis in WWII, whose three brothers were murdered by Nazis in the Holocaust.  Only a handful of nations have ever had a Jewish head of state.  Ukraine elected a Jew with 73% of the vote.  There is point after point after point that shoots holes in the theory that Ukraine is somehow a "Nazi" state.  That "Nazi" narrative is desperate propaganda from the Putin regime - which has its own massive Nazi problem, such as the Wagner Group, founded by neo-Nazi Dmitri Utkin who has Nazi SS insignia and a Reichsadler tattooed on his body, or the numerous neo-Nazi Putin-affiliated militants like Sparta Brigade, Somalia Brigade and others.[/quote]

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