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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Bullshit. The police only have the authority to act reasonably in proportion to the reasonable suspicion they used to justify the traffic stop. Without probable cause of a crime, they don’t have authority to order you out of your car or to search your car or to pepper spray you for asking why they stopped you or to threaten to shoot you for questioning their instructions. [/quote]

Police don't need PC to order you out of your car. You have no idea what you are talking about. [/quote]

You [b]think[/b] you know what you are talking about. See comment above.[/quote]

y'all are throwing around legal terms that have specific legal meanings without understanding.  Probable Cause is not needed to pull you over.  That is what is needed to arrest you.  Reasonable suspicion of a violation of law is all that is needed to pull you over.  Reasonable suspicion means something you can point to.  That is all.  [b]"I thought he had no tag based on what I could see at night."  That is enough to pull this guy over.  The stop was legal.  In fact there is no plate.  It was affixed inside in the window.  But once the stop is made, they get to investigate it.  Even is they see the paper tag, they get to look at it, run it and see if it is legal.[/b]  Once you are pulled over, the police can require you to leave you car if they have a reason to be concerned about their safety.  Again, they just need something to point to.  Here, the combo of the no plate, not stopping right away, and some hesitation on the part of the driver would justify removing him from the car.  The place where this all goes off the rail and becomes improper and illegal is the use of the chemical agent.  That cannot be justified no way, no how.  Then they rough him up.  Then they try to coerce him to give up his First Amendment rights in exchange for letting him go.  [/quote]

Different poster here. Unless the police had received a call about a stolen vehicle from a local car dealership, why did they assume that a new-looking car driven by a black man was possibly stolen? And as soon as they saw the paper tags, why didn't they just let him go? Why engage further, especially when it is now pretty widely known that many minority drivers do not feel safe when stopped by police? How does this overzealous policing help the public? [/quote]

How many vehicles do you think are stolen in a day?  It’s well over 25 in Richmond.   How many for the whole state?   It’s a massive problem.  Sometimes thieves break into a dealership after dark and steal multiple cars with no plates because new car keys are left on a rack but temporary license plates are stored in a safe.  How do you tell the race of a vehicle driver after dark?  You seem racist if you can tell.  The stop was valid but almost everything after the stop was wrong. [/quote]

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