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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]The positivity rate for tests in Mexico was 49.5 % yesterday. any surprise that the border states are seeing spikes?

Heard mandatory testing of migrant workers is accounting for a lot of the #s in US. [/quote]

Right. It’s Mexico’s fault.  :roll: [/quote]

Roll your eyes al you want.  Doctors in SoCal have been reporting high ## of people coming in from Mexico for treatment.  If you had coronavirus, would you want to be in the hospital in LA or Tucson or a Mexican border town?

This is from the WaPo a month ago, when Mexico's covid numbers were better than they are now:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2020/05/27/coronavirus-mexico-border/?arc404=true

Then a real pandemic struck. Now, approximately half of the coronavirus patients in several California border hospitals, including El Centro Regional Medical Center, are recent arrivals from Mexico. As a result of that surge, Imperial County, home to El Centro, has a much higher concentration of coronavirus cases — 760 per 100,000 residents — than any other county in California.

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“We see patients who have been in Mexican hospitals for two, three or four days before they cross the border and come to us,” said Dennis Amundson, the medical director in the intensive care unit at Scripps Mercy Hospital in Chula Vista, Calif.

U.S. citizens and green-card holders in northern Mexico started sharing messages and Facebook posts in groups such as “Rosarito Living” and “Expats in Mexico.” If you get sick, they say, cross the border.

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Forty-eight percent of patients at Scripps Mercy in Chula Vista last week had visited Mexico in the week before they were admitted.

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why is this any different from the thousands of Us citizens who returned to the US in March, many of whom were sick or exposed?

At least US citizens or permanent residents from mexico can drive into the US, thus avoiding the transmissibility risks that came with the European wave of returning citizens. 
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Did I say it was different?  You're more than a little defensive about this.

Mexico is having a significant outbreak, and, according the WaPo and NYT, people are flooding into the US for treatment.  It explains a lot about what's happening in the border states.  I guess we're supposed to ignore this because it's politically inconvenient? [/quote]

It contributes, but it doesn't explain "a lot."
Those states' refusals to follow public health guidelines in reopening, along with little effort being made to mitigate the outbreaks, is why Arizona, Texas, and the entire South are having huge and increasing outbreaks.

It's GOP governors blowing it. Look at New Mexico with a Dem governor, wedged between Arizona and Texas, yet has decreasing numbers. In fact [b]there are more people hospitalized in the city of El Paso TX right now than in the entire state of New Mexico[/b]. https://kvia.com/news/new-mexico/2020/06/28/dona-ana-has-states-only-new-virus-death-new-mexico-now-has-fewer-hospitalizations-than-el-paso/[/quote]

Actually, you just made my point.  Check out a map.  The bolded would be true because El Paso is the major medical center for BOTH for Western Texas and NM and is the major border crossing for NM.  El Paso getting patients from Mexico and Southern New Mexico.  [/quote]

CNN reporting today on increase in cases coming across the Mexcian border in CA, AZ and TX.  They say people are coming in ambulances to the border and being met by ambulances on the U.S. side.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/06/29/health/border-hospitals-coronavirus/index.html

About 90 miles to the west, Scripps Mercy Hospital Chula Vista, which is across the border from Tijuana, was also seeing cases starting to climb.
Officials began tracking the travel histories of patients there, and quickly spotted a trend: Many had recently been in Mexico.
"About half the patients that are testing positive are indicating they've crossed the border within the previous week," Van Gorder says.
"The patients that cross the border appear to be sicker than the patients that we've normally been seeing," he says. "It may be that they waited in Mexico too long, or they went to a Mexican hospital and decided to get their care here."[/quote]

In other words - they went to Mexican beaches got sick and needed medevac assistance to the US.

What idiots. Are your vacations and cheap retirement communities worth it?[/quote]

Wow. Why are you so stubborn and refusing to acknowledge the spike is certainly caused by transmission across the Mexicab border? These aren't Trump supporters going to beaches in Mexico. There's substantial Hispanic crossings the border every day because many have US citizenship. [/quote]

PP here.

I wasn't referring to Trump supporters making a day trip. I was referring to the substantial number of people demanding they be able to vacation at beach resorts around the Gulf as well as the large number of Americans permanently living south of the border because its cheap.

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The Canadian and Mexican figures are certainly largely dual nationals.

Dunno how much summer vacation traffic there is to the Gulf resorts.

I think you're just very angry and seeking to blame it on certain kinds of people to fit your narrative. Covid 19 spreads primarily through group settings like family gatherings (or crowded bars).

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