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As a teacher who works for a year round program, I can speak to this. We are paid a ten month salary. If you choose to work the summer you get paid an additional 18% of your yearly salary on top of your regular summer checks. Obviously, this is tremendously expensive for the district.
The only reason summer is bearable is because you go on many field trips, there’s only one official classroom observation, there is no testing, etc. All our classrooms are air conditioned. The pay is also great. You’re basically suggesting that teachers work with no extra pay, no air conditioning, no field trips, high anxiety, and worse. I agree that the bathroom would be a huge issue. When the weather is bad we just do what? Get soaked? I’m sorry but you can hire a sitter for the summer and ask them to do workbooks with your kid. I did not sign up for that. [/quote]

Denmark is currently holding their school classes outdoors, or so I read. To be sure, Denmark in May is not Maryland in July. I expect it rains in Denmark, though, and I'm certain that kids and teachers in Denmark need to use bathrooms during the school day. In other words, some of these are problems that not only can be solved, but actually have been solved, somehow, by people.[/quote]
That doesn’t change the fact that you want teachers to accept that the material nature of their job and the number of work days for a previously negotiated rate of pay. I’m not working without being compensated. 
If you do any research you’ll see that they aren’t teaching in tents. They are “holding as much of their classes outdoors as possible” which seems to primarily mean music and other classes that don’t require materials. The kids are sitting in the grass. It’s also a totally different culture. You know I’m going to get angry calls, “Johnny didn’t make it to the bathroom on time. The next time this happens I’m going to call the superintendent! This is child abuse” or “Elizabeth has a sunburn! I told you to apply sunblock every hour. You should be fired.” American parents are so high strung. You want us providing some kind of magical rigorous instruction in a post apocalyptic setting. You’re welcome to open up some freewheeling nature camp and watch other people’s kids all summer. It’s not happening. [/quote]

Issue 1: paying people for work
Separate issue 2: having school outside as much as possible

I'm all in favor of paying people for work. I'm also really, really, really, really, really tired of hearing that it's impossible to do things that are actually being done in real life by real people. American exceptionalism now seems to mean "Americans can't do what everyone else can do".[/quote]
We’re also the only first world country without universal healthcare so forgive us if we are naturally a little more risk averse than people in Denmark. They also get 18 weeks of paid maternal leave, 2 weeks of paternal leave, and 32 additional weeks they can split between them. They also have subsidized childcare and free education. Unemployment benefits last two years after losing your job. If you want us to be like Denmark then you can’t ignore all of those factors. [/quote]

Now explain why kids in Denmark are able to do things that DCUM insists kids can't do.[/quote]

Because of how parents raise their children in Denmark vs. how parents raise their children in the US.

US parenting=bulldozing the smoothest path possible for their kids and assigning blame onto everyone else when their child is unsuccessful or unhappy or even just gets a boo boo

The PP who talked about how parents here would eviscerate teachers if Larla got a sunburn or Larlo didn’t make it to the bathroom on time during outdoor school in a park is spot on. It already happens way too frequently in a much more controlled setting.  We’re just not the kind of society where what Denmark is doing would work. You can’t just flip the switch to pretend our society and child rearing practices are anything like Denmark’s just because it’s now convenient for you to assert that it’s true in the hopes of getting free summer babysitting. [/quote]

That doesn't mean kids in the US can't do it. It means adults in the US don't want to do it.[/quote]

I think you’re being purposefully obtuse. [/quote]

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