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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]I'll explain since you claim to fail to understand.

Lets assume someone DOES cheat and is caught

Do you think it is easier to

1) Study hard, retest and essentially wipe away your cheating (especially when you only need to make up less than 50% of the difference in scores)

2) Retain a lawyer, pay big money for that, and expose your cheating for the world so you are never admitted anywhere?

Seriously, you understand that. Don't try and claim you don't.[/quote]

This makes no sense at all. Someone who cheated would not likely be able to get a close enough score to the first one. And if the student takes the test under the retake conditions, there is no chance that cheating can occur, so replicating, or just getting close enough to the first score shows that the student can get a good score without cheating.

If someone did cheat and then retakes the test and gets a close enough score, well, then, good on them, they can now move on. There is no actual punishment for the cheating, other than ETS won't allow a score obtained by cheating to be sent to colleges. So getting a close enough score, or getting any score at all where the test is given in a one on one situation gives the student a score they are able to send out to colleges and they can then move forward. In a retest situation, colleges will never be informed that there was a cheating allegation.

Hiring a lawyer and going public, on the other hand, lets the whole world, including the colleges the student wants to apply to, know that there is an allegation that the student cheated. Plus, the student doesn't have a score that can be sent out. It is much easier, and a more efficient use of time, to prove that one did not cheat to simply retake the test under the conditions set out by the testing organization.

If someone didn't cheat, there is no useful reason to hire a lawyer and go public, and every reason to simply accept the offer of a free retake of the test to show that they earned the initial score fairly, and move forward in the application process with now two sets of scores which could possibly be super scored.

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Sorry, I disagree and in fact think the logic you espouse makes no sense.

You are essentially saying "If you are innocent then do what they ask, if you are guilty then fight".

A corollary is "If you are guilty take the plea deal".  Most do.

The innocent fight.[/quote]

I don't see it the way you do.

"Taking the plea deal" is not a good analogy to retaking the test.  I see retaking the test as similar to "going to court to prove your innocence."

Luckily, these kids are being charged as criminals for suspected cheating however.

So the girl who took the SAT and was accused of cheating in a sense did not "go to court to prove her innocence" because she lacked the proof -- the proof being a retake of the test to demonstrate ability to score in that range.  Instead she has a temper tantrum similar to what we have been observing in the oval office for the past couple of years.  As DT would say "Witch Hunt!!!"

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Here's the thing... in this country, no one goes "to court to prove (their) innocence".  Burden of proof is on the accuser.  What she is doing with the court case is moving that burden back to them... which is not a thing you are likely to do if you are guilty.[/quote]

Nice try, but as I mentioned, these are not criminal cases.  When using these analogies, you must keep this in mind.  Burden of proof is on the accused in this situation unfortunately.  ACT is a private organization.   They can administer these tests and decide when things look fishy.  There is no court system or police involved.  You are pretty much at their mercy, but the resolution is so simple.  RETAKE THE TEST.  Then you are done.  Trying to fight it with a high profile lawyer in the media is over the top and a cop out for someone who clearly would never be able to get that score under the controlled conditions of a retake.[/quote]

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