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[b]Again, what does your "faulting the kid" really do here?[/b] Do you realize how ignorant you are about addiction? If it were as easy as the kid waking up and saying "I am not going to do drugs anymore," then there wouldn't be a drug problem.  The personal responsibility required to kick an addiction is nothing at all like the personal responsibility required to say, study for a final.  [/quote]

It makes that PP feel better about themselves, for some reason. That's what it does.[/quote]

[b]It actually does.[/b]  I'm frankly sick of people blaming everyone else for their problems.  Acknowledge that you raised a kid who made bad choices and is now an addict.  That doesn't mean he/she doesn't deserve help, doesn't deserve to get better, but it does mean you stop living in denial and making everyone else to blame so you can feel better about yourself.[/quote]

Well, that's good, I guess.[/quote]

Right, like who among did not make what in retrospect were some really bad choices when we were teens and in college? There really is nothing that happened during that period about which you do not say to yourself, "What was I thinking?" Making bad choices and then realizing the consequences you lacked foresight to see when you made them is actually part of becoming an adult.  Too bad that when it's oxy it can have such devastating consequences.[/quote]

Actually, (I'm the PP you are responding to) this is the sort of discussion we should be having - yes, kids make BAD decisions sometimes and it is up to us to help them avoid these mistakes.  Is it something parents can control 100%?  Obviously not and obviously this is a distressing thing for us parents.  But making up self-serving lies about how it's not your kids' fault or infantilizing them to the point of comparing to toddlers and wall sockets are just tricks you do to make yourself feel better.  Face it, teenagers have to seek out dealers and opportunities to use - they are making an effort to get high.  No one is holding them down and shoving a needle into their arms.[/quote]

Agree with this. I absolutely sympathize with parents of teenage addicts and don't necessarily think it is the parents' fault, per se (although in many cases, I do think the parents could and should have done more. But not all cases). I have NO problem with someone saying "My kid was a good kid who made a stupid decision, and the price he's paying feels much higher than it should be." I get that. But acting as if your child is innocent, blameless, and a victim - nope. Not doing anyone any favors, him especially [/quote]

Straw man.  I don't see any parent of an addicted child claiming their child was blameless.  I do seem them correctly pointing out environmental contributors to the addiction (legal prescriptions, the highly addictive nature of the drug, actual brain-based differences that make some people more prone to addiction).  But you moralists are so caught up in blaming that you can't stand to hear that sometimes even if people weak, they still deserve society's help.  Parents must give JUST the right note of contrition before they're deserving of your concern.  Nope.  Not your business.  [/quote]

It is my business, actually, if they're going to try and convince me that their child's addiction is entirely a product of everything else EXCEPT their child's shortcoming or poor decision-making, because their child was a complete victim who had no control over the situation whatsoever. Go upthread and you will see exactly this.[/quote]

Who made that argument?  Why do you care so much how a parent frames their child's addiction?  Why does it bother you so much that something in addition to personal responsibility or decision making may be at play?  [/quote]

The lady with the child with chronic pain, for example. But several others as well. And, because addicts are bad for all of society...and especially when it's a teen or young adult addict I think the family's involvement in preventing, mitigating, dealing with, and solving the problem are huge - and [b]it's clear that people with the adoremenrioned attitudes are not stepping up to do so[/b] [/quote]

Is it clear? How do you know what their attitude is? Can you point me to peer-reviewed research that shows that being insufficiently guilt-ridden and blaming helps prevent and overcome addiction? [/quote]

Uhhh, because an important element of achieving (and maintaining) recovery involves recognizing the element of personal choice involved - you control whether or not to dedicate yourself to getting clean and taking the necessary steps, you control whether or not to set yourself up for failure or success, you control whether or not you turn back to those drugs a month down the line when an urge hits. And that's not going to happen when your own parents are telling you you're an innocent and a victim of your circumstances.
See, e.g., common sense. [/quote]

Again, you're getting yourself all roiled up in imagined scenarios about how you think these parents approach recovery. I seriously doubt they're telling their kids "Honey, you're innocent, you just sit there and don't lift a finger to recover."  You're creating some kind of bizarre and baseless fantasy about a really difficult situation (maybe the most difficult a parent can face short of child death) for your own need to blame addicts and your parents.  I wonder why.  BTW what's your viewpoint on Methadone and other maintainence drugs? Do you think they're bad because they reduce the "personal responsibility" needed to recover?  [/quote]

Not the PP you're responding to, but here's my view on Narcan, one which I'm hardly alone in.

There's an uptick in overdoses, because these addicts think they will be revived, so what's the harm in pushing the next high a little higher?

So you'll find them in public places, passed out, often with young toddlers in tow.

It's disgusting, and terrible.  And I don't give a crap if you think that makes me a "terrible" person.  Bite me.[/quote]

Dude.  You're just showing your ignorance.  I asked about METHADONE.  Which is a maintenance drug used to manage addiction.  Narcan has nothing to do with my question.  [/quote]

Narcan is a "treatment" given to addicts, just in differing circumstances.  Just like Methadone, they reduce the "personal responsibility" needed to recover.  And, lo and behold, perverse consequences.  Why are you so eager to avoid?  [/quote]

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