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[b]Acknowledging the personal choice/responsibility is actually crucial to stopping the drug use.[/b]  You know, [b]the whole "want to get clean" part[/b].  Obviously when the addict is a teen with parents determined to excuse (enable) him it's an additional barrier.  People like you are pathetic and selfish.  The whole "it's not the addicts' fault!" Is actually a self-serving defense mechanism designed to protect your feelings.[/quote]

It is a dangerous myth that only those "who want to get clean" can get clean.  It's right along there with you have to hit rock bottom before you can get clean.  Addiction is most easily treated in its earlier phases.  If you wait for people to want to get clean or hit bottom there are almost no options left that work well.  Court mandated rehab attendees have just as much success as voluntary rehab attendees.[/quote]

It's not a myth, but common knowledge among families of addicts and alcoholics that someone who does not want to get sober for themselves will not stay sober.  [/quote]

This is a recipe for families and everyone else to just throw up their hands and give up.  This is what leads parents to throw their addicted kids out of the house and make them a public charge.  Before definitely giving up and living it time no addict fully and unreservedly wants to be clean.

[b]The trick is to make addiction uncomfortable enough so that the addict has at least some small part of his brain that wants to get clean.  Court mandated addicts may not want to get clean, but they'd rather do rehab than prison time, so some small part of their brain wants to be clean once they process that choice. [/b] Instilling and exploiting just the smallest shadow of a penumbra of a feeling that going clean may vaguely be better than the alternative can result in recovery success.

Many, many people attend their first NA meeting with just the vaguest idea that clean may be a better way or to get someone in their life off their back.  They are not turned back and no one in NA would tell them they cannot get clean unless they really want to get clean.

Parents who say this are trying to justify why, scores of thousands of dollars late, their child's third rehab failed.[/quote]

So you agree with me that addicts have to *want* to get clean.  Make a personal choice to get clean.  Okay then.[/quote]

Dude, this isn't some kind of high school gotcha debate.  Obviously it takes personal effort to beat addiction.  But your simplistic view that "it's a personal choice" isn't what this poster is talking about.  Believe it or not, the role of motivation in recovery is something that actual experts actually study. And it is much more complicated than saying "it's a personal choice."  It takes support from others, which[b] takes tax dollars, which takes investment by society.[/b]  Not just "personal choice."  [/quote]

Ah tax dollars.  Yes.

You've got kids who are looking to get high, they use the wrong drug that happens to be really addictive, boom.  Tax dollars please!

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right well, thanks for clarifying your agenda, then.  addiction = personal failing = just let them die.  [/quote]

Oh, you're one of those people who thinks other people should pay for your problems, and if they don't, they are horrible people?  Awesome.  [/quote]

Yes, I do think you're a horrible person if you don't think that drug addicts should get help affording treatment.  In fact, I do.  [/quote]

Good, we can start by emptying your bank account into the nearest rehab center, since you're such a morally superior person.[/quote]

I'll gladly pay more taxes to support a single-payer healthcare system that includes drug treatment programs.  Gladly.  [/quote]

Don't forget your oxygen tank up there on your high horse, asshole.[/quote]

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