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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do any of you want to actually talk about the quality of different top schools? Or just rant about admissions practices?[/quote]

Blind admissions and high percentage test optional admissions does go to the overall quality of the school.[/quote]

Please describe, in detail and with concrete examples, the exact differences in quality among top publics that are seen based on these admissions practices. Not in the abstract, but the actual quality differences experienced by students across different institutions, and again backed up by concrete examples or data. Particularly since most publics are still test optional.

Please also elaborate on why these differences are more impactful, in your view, than the quality of individual departments and professors, availability and breadth of courses, teaching quality, career and graduate school outcomes, program-specific opportunities, outside-of-class opportunities, and graduation rates, among other metrics of quality. We’ll all wait.[/quote]

Another Top Public already did the research for you and switched course on test optional.  Enjoy the read.

https://news.utexas.edu/2024/03/11/ut-austin-reinstates-standardized-test-scores-in-admissions/[/quote]

None of this says anything about quality between different public schools. None of it says anything about other students’ experience. It just says that kids that submit do better at school than kids that don’t. You have failed the assignment.[/quote]

Of course it does.  Peer group is one of the most important characterisitics of a college.  The test blind/test optional schools have less consistent quality in peer group.
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And what are all of these other public universities that are test required? This is what is being discussed. The articles have nothing to do with that question.

And failing once again to confront any other assessment of a university’s quality beyond the test scores of its students. [/quote]

Other than Florida and Texas, what are these other top public universities REQUIRING a standardized test score?[/quote]

That’s exactly the question. That’s why this whole debate over test optional in what is supposed to be a discussion about top publics is stupid. They are almost all test optional, so evaluate them on other criteria (which you should do even if you had the test scores, because there is a lot else to evaluate). But the kids and strivers commenting here can’t, because they don’t know anything about college other than obsessing over tests they want to pass.[/quote]

Obviously. Well, there’s a disgruntled TA, sent packing by UCLA years ago, who haunts this forum and devotes his energies to denigrating UCLA, the UC system and presumably anything that has ever crossed his path. He promotes misinformation, like “lectures with 1,500 students”, “the only instructor your kid will ever see is a TA”, and “it will take 27 years for your kid to graduate”.

It’s exhausting. I don’t even have a personal association with the UC system, aside from an extended family member who is a current student and I’ve hired several Cal and UCLA graduates in the past - in all of those few connections, I’ve personally been aware that the individuals (including my extended family member) were absolute superstars when it came to standardized testing.

Anyway …[/quote]

There was a former TA that posted once or twice in a pre-med thread questioning UCLA for pre-med.  You don't know anything about that person yet you are dismissing them with ad hominin attacks.[/quote]

DP. But nope, wrong. The UCLA TA has posted on a ton of threads on this forum.[/quote]

Be that as it may, try to accept that there are many different people who believe that the UCs’ test blind admissions policy is foolish and self-defeating. [/quote]

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