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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What is elite level athlete?  You are either recruitable, or not recruitable.  [/quote]

You can be recruitable but choosing not to play. If a girl was a starter on a nationally ranked team but chose not to play they still have a fantastic EC. If they were a captain on the team even better. They were elite at their main EC which is the bar.[/quote]

Definitely not true and I say this as a parent of varsity atheletes.  If your kid is not an athletic recruit, sports are among the useless ecs.  May get some leadership points if kid is a varsity captain, but others pretty useless as far as admission as  impact.[/quote]

My son was a varsity captain of his basketball team but not a recruited athlete but 3 kids on his team were high D1 recruited.[b] The varsity captain helped college admissions tremendously [/b]in addition to his strong academics.  [/quote]

Source for this? Where is he going? Captains of teams are ok but generally meaningless. There are many of them at every school...[/quote]

Accepted to a Top 10 and Top 20.[/quote]

Not because he was captain of a team.  [/quote]

I know a kid just like this who was captain of the team, graduated in top 10 of his class, and had very high SAT. It was a total package not just one thing. Certainly the sports helped round out that package.[/quote]

Even you agree being CAPTAIN was irrelevant. Being an unrecruited athlete with a bunch of other excellent stuff, sure, that could help round out a kid.[/quote]

Well it certainly didn't hurt. Not sure what your point is but you clearly just don't seem to like or value sports but that's neither here nor there since you're not a decision maker.[/quote]

The point of this isn't to shit on sports.  My kid spent a lot of time on sports.  He played club and was 4 year varsity starter and captain for 2 years but he wasn't good enough to be recruited at his position at a school he would want to go to.  In fact we knew he would never be recruited because his height made that almost an impossibility.  But he still did it and we supported it despite the FACT that it would not really help his college application because there are other reasons to do things other than college admissions.  he was learning life lessons and developing character.  Also, I don't think he would spend the time more productively if he didn't have the sport, it was a large part of his identity and the grit he learned got him through a lot of adversity.

I think sports are absolutely worth doing but it will not help with your college applications unless you are recruitable.

[b]All of this was confirmed by the SFFA trial discovery.  Harvard gives athletic scores almost no consideration if you are not recruitable.  All the Ivy+ do the same[/quote][/b]

This is incorrect.[/quote]

It is absolutely correct.

Read exhibit 1 of the SFFA lawsuit.  Report by Arcidiacono.

See section 2.4 (factors correlated with admission) page 24 and footnote 23 where the expert notes:

The relationship between the athletic rating and admissions is weak once athletes are
removed. Athletes receive a 1 on the athletic rating and, as shown in Section 2.2.3, have
very high admit rates. However, once athletes are taken out, [b]the relationship between the
athletic rating and admissions is weak.[/b]

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This seems to put this issue to rest.  Believe what you want but this is the reality.  At least it was with Harvard over a period of several years.

Sports is just another extra curricular, one that takes a lot of time and effort and doesn't really buttress academic credentials.  [/quote]

You are looking at the wrong document. You need to look at Harvard’s response, i.e. David Cards write up.

Here it is:

https://affirmativeactiondebate.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/card-rebuttal-report-publicly-filed-a.pdf

Read pages 13-15.

I have tried to explain it to no avail but Cards document puts this item to rest because this is Harvards POV on the issue of the athletic rating.
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