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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Science can’t prove or disprove God.

That’s mainstream philosophy of science, not religion.

Science studies natural phenomena.

God, by definition, is a metaphysical claim, not a testable object.

No scientific proof that God exists
No scientific proof that God does not exist
No experiment that can settle it either way

That’s because God is a metaphysical claim, not a physical object inside the universe that can be measured.

God definitely exists” → faith statement

God definitely does not exist” → also a belief statement

Both go beyond what can be proven.

The most intellectually honest positions acknowledge uncertainty.[/quote]

No.

“There is insufficient evidence to believe a god exists, so I do not believe one exists” is both factually correct and intellectually honest, yet it is absolute.[/quote]

That’s a valid personal conclusion from empirical standards, but calling it absolute about reality goes beyond what science can claim.

[b]Your statement is absolute about your belief, not about reality. It’s an honest agnostic-atheist position based on empirical standards, but science itself doesn’t adjudicate metaphysical existence claims—so it doesn’t “settle” the question either way.[/b][/quote]

It's about what you BELIEVE and WHY.  That's all that matters here.  Science doesn't believe in Russell's teapot orbiting the sun either, but they can't prove it is not there.

The fact that I don't believe in god is 100% factual and absolutely true, and demonstrable.  The fact that you do believe in god  is 100% factual and absolutely true, and demonstrable.

Those facts are "settled".

Another demonstrable fact is that you have the non-believer's position on all other views for which there is no evidence, including all gods other than your own.  Just this one single thing you exempt with special pleading.[/quote]

People are allowed to find one story convincing and others not. Human reasoning isn’t a math equation.

Belief in God is compared to trust in a person, not a hypothesis. You don’t demand peer-reviewed proof to love someone.

People don’t evaluate beliefs in isolation.
One belief fits into a whole network of meaning, culture, upbringing, and lived experience. Humans don’t believe the way laboratories do — and they’re not supposed to.

People are allowed to hold personal beliefs that are meaningful and valid to them, without needing to justify them to outsiders or apply them universally.

I don’t believe most religious claims, and I don’t need to.

But my disbelief doesn’t invalidate anyone else’s beliefs, nor does their belief require my approval.

Beliefs can be personally meaningful without being universally binding.

Human beings have unique minds and histories. Because of that, freedom of belief — including belief, disbelief, or uncertainty — is not a defect in reasoning but an essential expression of human freedom.

Disagreeing with a belief doesn’t negate it, and holding one doesn’t obligate universal defense. Plurality is not a problem to be solved; it’s a condition to be respected.[/quote]

There aren't any actual supernatural forces so belief/gods exist only in one's mind as a concept, not a real thing. 
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