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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Sure, I guess. But with such extraordinarily selective schools, who really cares?[/quote] Williams and Amherst, and many other SLACS, are fantastic schools but they would rank lower than any of the Ivies in a head to head competition due to the lack of comparable science and engineering resources. They aren't really comparable which is why they are separately ranked. [/quote] Totally agree. Williams and Amherst can't compare with the ivy league because virtually all of them are much larger research institutions. [b]The academic resources of Princeton/Harvard/Cornell/Penn are light years ahead of Williams and Amherst.[/b][/quote] And most of it has nothing to do with undergraduate study.[/quote] I'd say having access to massive research institutes and facilities is pretty helpful in undergrad. DS does research at the school of Medicine and hasn't a day taken a course in the med school. Some people just use their resources better than others.[/quote] Do R1 research universities have higher medical school acceptance rates than SLACs or higher percentages of students getting advanced degrees in STEM? NO.[/quote] A few things to this response. My kid has no interest in medical school. It just happens to be extremely useful resource for him to explore his research interests. Medical schools provide a lot of interested computational, biophysical, and statistical research projects that an LAC wouldn't be able to replicate. Now to your second question, per capita, it depends on the cohort of students. Students with higher incoming stats are going to be more likely to end up getting into medical school. Only 1 Lac is in the top 10 for feeding students into medical school per capita and it's Amherst. 1/2 the Ivy League is in the top 10. Comparing school acceptance rates is meaningless when some schools really gatekeep and delay students from applying to medical school to keep their high acceptance rate publicity. I'd say the data is pretty clear that if you have to choose between Harvard or Yale versus Williams or Amherst for medical school, the former is the wiser decision if it's a true tossup. I especially wouldn't underrate going to a college in Boston, the hub for biotech and medical research in the country. [/quote] Well, there are over 2X as many National Universities as National LACs (USNWR). There are 2X as many National Universities to National LACs in the top 30 College Transitions top per capita feeder schools, so it is proportionate. But another thing to consider is some schools, most notably some National Universities (e.g. JHU) have a disproportionate percentage of pre-med students, which skews the numbers. [/quote]
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