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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread has devolved but much of the commentary now is about why test scores should be required for college admission.  I respectfully do not think they should be.  There is lots of research that shows SAT / ACT are biased to benefit Asians / Whites, and there are many reasons why URM do patently worse as a whole.

Lastly, most developed countries outside of the US don’t have admission exams.  They use grades, coursework, and extra curriculars to decide who gets in.  This inherently biased system of admissions exams using tests is a US thing, and it is geared to benefit those with means.  Even the ones fighting the use of race based preference are the same ones using their means to gain an edge.  It’s actually sickening. [/quote]
Poor URM performance is directly linked to the massive percentage of single parent households in URM communities. Schools can’t fix it.[/quote]
Yet UCSD has a near 90% graduation rate. Seems like things can be fixed.[/quote]
You misunderstand. Schools can’t fix the disparity between URMs and non-URM academic performance. [b]The much more qualified students not admitted are still more capable than the unqualified URMs that took their spot regardless of college graduation rate. [/b][/quote]

Nobody has a right to a spot, you really need to get your head around this simple concept.[/quote]

And that's exactly the point. Everyone seems to think under-represented minority students from bad schools with a bad education have the "right" to go to the UCs and other good universities. But why do they have the "right" while really talented students from more middle class neighborhoods don't have the "right," despite way outperforming these chosen URM students academically?

In real life, parents that care about their kids will choose a less than ideal apartment or rental to get their kids into a good school zone. Why do these families and students have to give up their chance for a good college to accommodate the "rights" of shitty students from shitty schools from families that don't care about education? [/quote]

Nobody has the right to any spot but the state has the right and the reason to ensure that the UC system (which is separate from the CSU system) maintains broad based support. And, this mess is a recent driven by the huge influx of tech families into the bay area over the past 25 years. It is not that long ago that this wasn't a contentious issue.

The simple truth is that for the most part the kids from the inland empire and the kids from Cupertino aren't competing for the same seats. URMs for the most part are not getting into CS, Engineering and Econ at UCB. They are getting into humanities seats. The admissions rates for Engineering/CS at UCB, UCLA, and other top UCs are far below the overall admissions rates and putting every single rural UC spot back into the pool isn't going to meaningfully change anything. For the typical kid from Cupertino HS where about 80% of the class applies to UCB the competition is the kid in the seat next to them, not some kid from Humboldt. The only thing that would change that is a huge expansion of seats at the top UCs.
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