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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread has devolved but much of the commentary now is about why test scores should be required for college admission.  I respectfully do not think they should be.  There is lots of research that shows SAT / ACT are biased to benefit Asians / Whites, and there are many reasons why URM do patently worse as a whole.

Lastly, most developed countries outside of the US don’t have admission exams.  They use grades, coursework, and extra curriculars to decide who gets in.  This inherently biased system of admissions exams using tests is a US thing, and it is geared to benefit those with means.  Even the ones fighting the use of race based preference are the same ones using their means to gain an edge.  It’s actually sickening. [/quote]
Poor URM performance is directly linked to the massive percentage of single parent households in URM communities. Schools can’t fix it.[/quote]
Yet UCSD has a near 90% graduation rate. Seems like things can be fixed.[/quote]
You misunderstand. Schools can’t fix the disparity between URMs and non-URM academic performance. [b]The much more qualified students not admitted are still more capable than the unqualified URMs that took their spot regardless of college graduation rate. [/b][/quote]

Nobody has a right to a spot, you really need to get your head around this simple concept.[/quote]

And that's exactly the point. Everyone seems to think under-represented minority students from bad schools with a bad education have the "right" to go to the UCs and other good universities. But why do they have the "right" while really talented students from more middle class neighborhoods don't have the "right," despite way outperforming these chosen URM students academically?

In real life, parents that care about their kids will choose a less than ideal apartment or rental to get their kids into a good school zone. Why do these families and students have to give up their chance for a good college to accommodate the "rights" of shitty students from shitty schools from families that don't care about education? [/quote]

Shitty students bc they scored low on a math test? I would argue there are shitty students and kids at the wealthy schools too [/quote]

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