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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]This thread has devolved but much of the commentary now is about why test scores should be required for college admission.  I respectfully do not think they should be.  There is lots of research that shows SAT / ACT are biased to benefit Asians / Whites, and there are many reasons why URM do patently worse as a whole.

Lastly, most developed countries outside of the US don’t have admission exams.  They use grades, coursework, and extra curriculars to decide who gets in.  This inherently biased system of admissions exams using tests is a US thing, and it is geared to benefit those with means.  Even the ones fighting the use of race based preference are the same ones using their means to gain an edge.  It’s actually sickening. [/quote]

Can you cite that research?

White and Asian students have higher test scores, but that could either be discrimination of a reflection of disparate educational achievement.

The research I'm familiar with shows that it's the latter:

"Research has increasingly shown that standardized test scores contain real information, helping to predict college grades, chances of graduation and post-college success. ... Some people have worried that SAT scores are merely a proxy for income or race, Sacerdote noted, but the data should alleviate this concern. Within every racial group, students with higher scores do better in college.

Intuitively, the progressive position sounds as if it should reduce inequities. But data has suggested that some of these policies may do the opposite, harming vulnerable people.

In the case of standardized tests, those people are the lower-income, Black and Hispanic students who would have done well on the ACT or SAT but who never took the test because they didn’t have to. Many colleges have effectively tried to protect these students from standardized tests. In the process, the colleges denied some of them an opportunity to change their lives — and change society — for the better."

Free access to the NYT article quotes are from:

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/07/briefing/the-misguided-war-on-the-sat.html?unlocked_article_code=1.108.WN--.GfzDVxMtBgk1&smid=url-share [/quote]

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