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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I don’t get the vitriol about DEI.

Overwhelmingly, DEI has led to race/ethnic admissions in proportion to the general population. It’s not like Harvard is admitting a class 100% of black and Hispanics.

And while some/most DEI admits may not have the highest test scores or accomplishments of the entire application pool, they are the elite of their demographic.

If our country is ever to put race/ethnic problems “behind us,” there needs to be opportunity and future role models for these groups. It is progressive - in a good way - for our society to think about inclusivity because that eventually creates a more shared basis for democracy and civility. On the other hand, allowing one portion of the population to hoard all the opportunities is not a recipe for shared prosperity.

To make an analogy, the more people who participate in the stock market, the more people who support capitalism. But when only some people grow rich through the market, the have nots grow resentful. And, MAGA shows us what happens when people become resentful. [/quote]

The only problem with your point is that it isn’t helping the people in theory it is supposed to help.

There is an economist Roland Fryer who is a conservative AA who does believe in things like affirmative action but he noted at Harvard that most of the URMs are actually wealthier than the overall student body because many are children of international dignitaries and/or wealthy people in foreign countries.

He actually would be fine if it was used to identify high potential American kids who need the boost…but that’s not what the colleges are doing.[/quote]

That may be the case with Harvard, but it is not the general case across America. [/quote]

Fryer’s research did not say that.  It said that the Black families had income levels higher than the typical Black family, but that does not at all mean that they had income levels higher than than whites.  This is a manipulated stat used to support a common MAGA talking point.

PP was spot on with their breakdown of why we need DEI policies.  The people against it are the same ones who don’t want to teach the history of slavery because it is no longer relevant in their mind — even though millions are still feeling the long term consequences.[/quote]

He wrote an editorial in the Washington Post.

Here is the key paragraph regarding the above:

But affirmative action is very often not targeted at individuals who, because of disadvantage, are achieving below their potential. [b]Seventy-one percent of Harvard’s Black and Hispanic students come from wealthy backgrounds.[/b] A tiny fraction attended underperforming public high schools. First- and second-generation African immigrants, despite constituting only about 10 percent of the U.S. Black population, make up about 41 percent of all Black students in the Ivy League, and Black immigrants are wealthier and better educated than many native-born Black Americans.

I guess there is not a definition of wealthy here to know if that means richer than the overall population, but I assumed it meant they don't receive any financial aid and 55% of Harvard receives FA...so, wouldn't that mean they are wealthier than the overall student body?[/quote]

Obama’s dad was an African immigrant but you don’t think his rise to the presidency was inspiring for the Black Americans whose families have been in this country for centuries?  I think it’s helpful for Black Americans to see Black people in the positions of power in this country, even if those people did come from less disadvantaged backgrounds.  I also think focusing the conversation on the Ivy League sort of misses the point.  What about all the schools in the 50-100 ranking that have used DEI?  I bet the results would be different if you looked at them.[/quote]

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